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Tom, as you know, I am a great fan of yours so please know that I share the following thoughts with the utmost respect.  You make an excellent point about the shortcomings of Newton's legacy. There is no argument that on a long enough timeline, nearly all "science" becomes adorably quaint.  In that same spirit one must recognize that in 2326, today’s scientific orthodoxy will, at best, be regarded as a provisional footnote.

The scientist who catalogs Newton’s shortcomings would do well to exercise the same intellectual humility toward the limits of their own epoch. If Newton’s framework, for all its predictive power, proved incomplete because it lacked access to relativistic regimes, quantum phenomena, and higher dimensional mathematics which were obviously unavailable in the 17th century, then intellectual consistency requires an honest person of science to admit that our current instruments and models are extremely likely to be blind to entire domains of reality. 

There likely exist dimensions, scales, or causal structures, whether extra spatial dimensions, substrate realities beneath quantum fields, or aspects of consciousness itself, which lie beyond the resolution of our telescopes, colliders, and detectors. To assert dogmatically that no evidence of God (or any transcendent intelligence)exists, simply because it has not yet registered on our present apparatus seems less like skepticism, and more like provincialism IMHO. True scientific humility would acknowledge the overwhelming probability that what we call ‘the universe’ today, is only the observable slice of a far richer reality, where evidence of design, purpose, and indeed a Mind/Intelligence/Force resides precisely in those dimensions that we are, as yet, unequipped to observe, much as Newton lacked the tools to apprehend the workings of the sun.

Of course, none of this qualifies as evidence of what some describe as God.  Clearly, our science, at this time, is too primitive to offer what you wish to see. Having avoided reading the majority of this thread, I'm curious if any Punawebber has provided any scientific evidence demonstrating a likelihood that no "God" - like force exists?

BTW, if you ever make it over to Maui, you may enjoy Kraken coffee, which is measurably out of this world, without getting out of your automobile. This would have been unthinkable even 100 years ago. We stand on the shoulders of giants, and menehune.
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God - by MyManao - 02-22-2026, 05:33 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 02-22-2026, 06:09 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 02-22-2026, 06:57 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 02-22-2026, 07:06 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 02-22-2026, 05:14 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 02-23-2026, 07:26 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-01-2026, 06:10 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-01-2026, 06:23 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-01-2026, 06:35 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-01-2026, 06:54 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-01-2026, 07:18 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-01-2026, 07:51 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-02-2026, 02:50 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-02-2026, 05:50 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-02-2026, 06:19 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-02-2026, 06:53 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-02-2026, 06:58 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-02-2026, 07:08 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-04-2026, 04:11 PM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 02-22-2026, 05:05 PM
RE: God - by ironyak - 02-22-2026, 07:24 PM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 02-23-2026, 03:01 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 02-23-2026, 05:14 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 02-24-2026, 04:42 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 02-23-2026, 05:36 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 02-24-2026, 06:16 AM
RE: God - by leilanidude - 02-23-2026, 06:24 PM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 02-24-2026, 10:18 PM
RE: God - by Punatang - 03-01-2026, 06:23 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-01-2026, 06:35 AM
RE: God - by Punatang - 03-01-2026, 04:18 PM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-01-2026, 04:27 PM
RE: God - by HereOnThePrimalEdge - 03-01-2026, 05:46 PM
RE: God - by Punatang - 03-01-2026, 07:12 PM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-02-2026, 07:24 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-02-2026, 07:36 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-02-2026, 07:55 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-02-2026, 07:38 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-02-2026, 07:59 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-02-2026, 08:20 AM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 03-02-2026, 05:23 PM
RE: God - by Punatang - 03-02-2026, 07:42 AM
RE: God - by leilanidude - 03-02-2026, 02:27 PM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-02-2026, 05:28 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-04-2026, 08:45 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-04-2026, 10:44 AM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 03-04-2026, 11:02 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-05-2026, 05:17 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-05-2026, 05:36 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-04-2026, 11:40 PM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 03-05-2026, 12:17 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-05-2026, 05:34 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-05-2026, 05:56 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-05-2026, 06:06 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-05-2026, 05:31 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-05-2026, 05:37 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-05-2026, 05:54 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-05-2026, 06:07 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-05-2026, 06:31 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-05-2026, 06:46 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-05-2026, 07:14 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-05-2026, 07:33 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-05-2026, 07:58 AM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 03-05-2026, 04:54 PM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-05-2026, 07:12 PM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 03-06-2026, 03:24 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-06-2026, 06:26 PM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-05-2026, 07:56 AM
RE: God - by knieft - 03-05-2026, 04:35 PM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-05-2026, 05:28 PM
RE: God - by Rob Tucker - 03-06-2026, 04:26 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-06-2026, 04:40 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-06-2026, 06:32 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-06-2026, 08:33 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-06-2026, 08:44 AM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 03-06-2026, 07:03 PM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-06-2026, 08:51 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-06-2026, 08:57 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-06-2026, 09:09 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-06-2026, 09:13 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-06-2026, 09:24 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-06-2026, 09:29 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-06-2026, 09:43 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-06-2026, 09:48 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-06-2026, 09:51 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-06-2026, 10:18 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-06-2026, 05:06 PM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-06-2026, 07:16 PM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-06-2026, 07:19 PM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 03-06-2026, 08:17 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-07-2026, 11:43 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-08-2026, 04:09 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-06-2026, 10:30 PM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-06-2026, 11:16 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-07-2026, 06:13 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-07-2026, 06:57 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-07-2026, 07:05 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-07-2026, 07:17 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-07-2026, 07:21 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-07-2026, 04:44 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-08-2026, 06:41 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-07-2026, 06:28 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-07-2026, 06:53 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-07-2026, 08:13 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-07-2026, 08:23 AM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 03-07-2026, 04:22 PM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-08-2026, 03:06 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-07-2026, 08:32 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-07-2026, 09:05 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-07-2026, 09:17 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-07-2026, 09:23 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-07-2026, 01:36 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-08-2026, 07:46 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-08-2026, 03:23 PM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-08-2026, 06:56 PM
RE: God - by leilanidude - 03-08-2026, 09:24 PM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 03-09-2026, 05:40 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 03-10-2026, 04:18 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-31-2026, 11:10 PM
RE: God - by MyManao - 05-19-2026, 09:59 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-20-2026, 07:46 AM
RE: God - by Durian Fiend - 05-21-2026, 03:21 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-22-2026, 03:49 AM
RE: God - by Rob Tucker - 03-09-2026, 04:57 AM
RE: God - by ironyak - 03-09-2026, 08:38 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 03-09-2026, 08:58 AM
RE: God - by randomq - 05-20-2026, 04:36 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 05-22-2026, 04:45 PM
RE: God - by Rob Tucker - 05-22-2026, 08:20 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-23-2026, 04:57 AM
RE: God - by Rob Tucker - 05-23-2026, 06:58 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-23-2026, 07:11 AM
RE: God - by Rob Tucker - 05-23-2026, 07:52 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-23-2026, 09:27 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-24-2026, 09:16 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 05-24-2026, 04:29 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-25-2026, 05:02 AM
RE: God - by Punatang - 05-24-2026, 08:24 PM
RE: God - by Rob Tucker - 05-25-2026, 06:25 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-25-2026, 06:32 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-25-2026, 10:10 AM
RE: God - by randomq - 05-25-2026, 11:00 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-25-2026, 11:18 AM
RE: God - by randomq - 05-25-2026, 11:20 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-25-2026, 12:19 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-27-2026, 09:03 AM
RE: God - by randomq - 05-27-2026, 10:31 PM
RE: God - by Rob Tucker - 05-28-2026, 02:14 AM
RE: God - by Punatang - 05-28-2026, 03:05 AM
RE: God - by Rob Tucker - 05-28-2026, 03:51 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-29-2026, 06:15 AM
RE: God - by Punatang - 05-30-2026, 12:29 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 05-30-2026, 05:44 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-30-2026, 08:21 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-30-2026, 10:49 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-30-2026, 03:11 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 05-30-2026, 06:28 AM
RE: God - by Punatang - 05-30-2026, 11:45 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-01-2026, 12:04 AM
RE: God - by Punatang - 06-01-2026, 01:58 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-02-2026, 06:45 AM
RE: God - by Punatang - 06-02-2026, 08:35 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-03-2026, 09:22 AM
RE: God - by Punatang - 06-03-2026, 05:39 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-04-2026, 04:11 AM
RE: God - by Punatang - 06-04-2026, 07:20 PM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-04-2026, 07:38 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-07-2026, 05:42 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-07-2026, 04:56 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-08-2026, 07:03 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-08-2026, 07:13 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-08-2026, 08:11 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-08-2026, 09:47 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-08-2026, 10:37 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-08-2026, 05:19 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-10-2026, 03:46 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-10-2026, 04:41 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-10-2026, 05:10 AM
RE: God - by kalianna - 06-10-2026, 05:13 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-10-2026, 05:53 AM
RE: God - by MyManao - 06-10-2026, 05:55 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-10-2026, 06:02 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-10-2026, 03:30 PM
RE: God - by MyManao - 06-10-2026, 04:50 PM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-11-2026, 06:54 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-11-2026, 07:10 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-11-2026, 07:34 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-11-2026, 07:44 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-11-2026, 07:58 AM
RE: God - by HiloJulie - 06-11-2026, 08:12 AM
RE: God - by TomK - 06-11-2026, 08:52 AM

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