How about an argument that a creator gave us neither? We just discovered coffee and tea ourselves?
I know you're inserting some humor, and I'm glad you're doing so. Sometimes it's the best way to counter nonsense, and, cobber, I'm not taking it the wrong way! - TomK
Well, with the greatest respect mate, because it's not just "a creator" we are discussing. We are talking about The Creator.
Seriously, no one's magical sky wizard is going to submit to double-blind peer review and publish in Nature for you. You will never be satisfied. You will have to allow those you wish to argue with, to just carry on being emotionally stunted primates clinging to prehistoric coping mechanisms.
Yes, humor. Try reading the last post again in Ricky Gervais' voice (which you have shared is your dialect). His 2020 Oscars monologue, BTW, was Divinely inspired IMHO.
The one thing that has been proven in this thread is that no two participants are arguing about even remotely the same thing. It is a fools errand to take this exercise in futility even slightly seriously. I will honor and respect your beliefs. Beliefs evolve in the fullness of time. We both may think differently in five or ten years but for now we seem to be at a friendly stalemate - which is perfectly OK.
Here is my take on the futility of this thread - in Ricky Gervais (PG version) voice:
Arguing about God is like blind drunk blokes in a pub screaming at each other about whose imaginary friend is real, except one’s picturing a loving cosmic dad, the other a vengeful sky wizard who hates gays or shrimp, a third’s on about some vague “universe energy,” and a fourth reckons it’s just the laws of physics with a posh name. They’re not even arguing about the same bloody thing, but they’ll still call each other idiots for three hours straight, waving their different fan-fictions like they’re receipts. Absolute waste of oxygen, innit? No one’s ever gonna win because they’re not even playing the same game. Pass the crisps.
Bless your heart for not taking any of this the wrong way.
I know you're inserting some humor, and I'm glad you're doing so. Sometimes it's the best way to counter nonsense, and, cobber, I'm not taking it the wrong way! - TomK
Well, with the greatest respect mate, because it's not just "a creator" we are discussing. We are talking about The Creator.
Seriously, no one's magical sky wizard is going to submit to double-blind peer review and publish in Nature for you. You will never be satisfied. You will have to allow those you wish to argue with, to just carry on being emotionally stunted primates clinging to prehistoric coping mechanisms.
Yes, humor. Try reading the last post again in Ricky Gervais' voice (which you have shared is your dialect). His 2020 Oscars monologue, BTW, was Divinely inspired IMHO.
The one thing that has been proven in this thread is that no two participants are arguing about even remotely the same thing. It is a fools errand to take this exercise in futility even slightly seriously. I will honor and respect your beliefs. Beliefs evolve in the fullness of time. We both may think differently in five or ten years but for now we seem to be at a friendly stalemate - which is perfectly OK.
Here is my take on the futility of this thread - in Ricky Gervais (PG version) voice:
Arguing about God is like blind drunk blokes in a pub screaming at each other about whose imaginary friend is real, except one’s picturing a loving cosmic dad, the other a vengeful sky wizard who hates gays or shrimp, a third’s on about some vague “universe energy,” and a fourth reckons it’s just the laws of physics with a posh name. They’re not even arguing about the same bloody thing, but they’ll still call each other idiots for three hours straight, waving their different fan-fictions like they’re receipts. Absolute waste of oxygen, innit? No one’s ever gonna win because they’re not even playing the same game. Pass the crisps.
Bless your heart for not taking any of this the wrong way.