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Propane refrigerator -pros and cons
#11
Thank you,Eric!
It still some space technology for a regular woman to understand,but I got the basic idea.
Since you seem to know the energy saving subject very well,can I ask you one more free question:
Gas water heater on demand - that's so far on my project.
What is you take on it's efficiency?

(I've just LOWjacked my tread..Sorry,StillHope!)
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#12
Hope,

Propane refrigerators really only make any sense if you do not have conventional electricity supply (Helco). Been there...alot.

Dan
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#13
Thanks,Dan!
I thought it would be logical to have it .
Remember-the same "style"-propane water heater,propane stove...
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We are off grid, so are many of our neighbors. One of those had a propane fridge for years (forget which brand). He finally figured out how much it was costing in propane and decided it was more worthwhile to increase his PV count and buy a new, energy efficient electric model. Last I heard he and wife were quite happy with the upgrade. As for us, we have propane stove, on demand H/W, dryer and fireplaces, but fridge and freezer are normal kind from sears.

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#15
Propane refrigerators

Con: Propane is expensive and a pain to haul.

Pro: If you put a green bud on top of the heating grill thingie
in back, it's ready to smoke the next morning.

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#16
True, Greg, but if you have the propane stove with a pilot light in the oven, you can use it for drying things, too.

We had a propane refrigerator but it used too much propane so we swapped it for a new electric one. We didn't upgrade our solar array and it still managed to run the electric refrigerator. We've been running on 600 watts of solar panels for eight years now, sometime soon we are going to get more panels, I think, since we just got a chest freezer at last week's garage sales. There is a website on how to turn a Volvo (or was it Subaru?) front axle into a wind generator using wire wound coils circling in a fiberglass ring over rare earth magnets mounted on the brake disc. Three big wooden blades to catch the wind for spin. It looked like a pretty kewl project to me! It is supposed to generate about 400 watts at low wind speeds and doesn't look all that difficult to make.

I think around here to get the same "style" of appliance you can opt for all one same color. That's about as much style as folks around here bother with and most times not even that. We generally get whatever color is on sale but so far it's always been white.

The on demand water heater (we got white so it would be the same style as the rest of the appliances) is a Bosch and we like it a lot. They sell them at Sauces & Propane up in Honoka'a. They also sell solar (photovoltaic) panels and propane, too, of course.

Solar power and wind power are basically free once you get the system set up. It isn't all that difficult to set up the systems, either. Much easier than copper plumbing and tile work.

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Kurt Wilson
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#17
Hey,Hotzcatz,what is that makes Bosh better for you ?
What about Paloma?
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We replaced a Paloma which had a pilot light with the Bosch which has a water wheel piezo electric starter. The Bosch starts with less water flow and heats with less water flow. They don't refer to them as "on demand" water heaters for nothing. If you don't demand enough hot water, you don't get any. With the Paloma we had to have the hot water tap all the way open to get it to demand enough hot water that the water heater would turn on. The Bosch starts on a much less hot water demand. The Paloma was a much bigger unit than most of them, though. It may have been over sized for our residential use.

The Bosch also has a ductless heat vent. No need for through the roof vent piping, just put it on the wall somewhere with outside ventilation. Ours is on the leeward side of the house out of most of the weather and seems fine there.

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#19
I had to get a new fridge, since my old haier stopped cooling. This site helped me make my mind up, I'd like to share it with you:
http://www.minifridge24.com/
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Originally posted by Hotzcatz

There is a website on how to turn a Volvo (or was it Subaru?) front axle into a wind generator using wire wound coils circling in a fiberglass ring over rare earth magnets mounted on the brake disc. Three big wooden blades to catch the wind for spin. It looked like a pretty kewl project to me! It is supposed to generate about 400 watts at low wind speeds and doesn't look all that difficult to make.


Solar power and wind power are basically free once you get the system set up.


Most parts of the Big Island just aren't windy enough to make it worth trying to get electric power from the wind. Hawi, Waikaloa, and South Point and windy enough. Puna not so much.

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