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re: HPP thugs
I'm so sorry that someone willing to volunteer for the board was so intimidated. My question in all naivete is: What is in it for these thugs? Why don't they want a full board, or is only certain people that they are against? Is it a particular point of view, and how would they know the point of view of someone they don't know?
Of course I've heard & read a lot about burglaries, fencing operations, etc. Are these the folks involved? Is anarchy preferred?
I just can't see what is in it for these creeps. Any ideas?
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quote:
Originally posted by HPPagitator
The HPPOA ship has hit the sand, and the responsibility is on the current President, Vice President, and Treasurer, along with the other member with the dirty mouth and nicotine addiction.
Their helpers include "mermaid53" a.k.a. ****** and
"karma96749" (that big fat guy that sits right up front and yells at anyone who disagrees with the board).
"agitator": the part that gets the dirt out. 
HPPagitator,
You are new here. This is your first post. I do want to caution you that if all you want to accomplish on this forum is to generate arguments you will not last long.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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Assume the best and ask questions.
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I have read the histories (histrionics?) and, knowing one of the fired employees, can't imagine that person being involved in this threatening of potential new board members. After all, the anger is directed at the sitting board, not a newbie who had nothing to do with the firings.
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ag -i- ta- tor
noun
a troublemaker,rabblerouser,agent,provocateur,demagogue,incendiary.
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On this day when our neighbors in Pahoa are facing the reality of losing everything, and thousands of us are struggling to simply breathe and survive another day of uncertainty, the hateful diatribe of a few posters bring nothing but discomfort and shame to us all. Awie.
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Aloha to all you posting this morning:
There is a HPPOA Board meeting in a little over an hour from now.
9:00 am at the HPP Hui library.
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Another invalid meeting that will have to be repeated (30 October). Only four members attended and one left before long. The remaining members decided to “carry on”. Three Board members cannot conduct the Association’s business. The President should never have called this meeting to order. (Emphasis added
ARTICLE VIII – BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Section 1. Number and Qualification. The affairs of the Association shall be governed by
a board composed of nine persons,…
Section 12. Acts of the Board. The acts of a majority of the directors present at
any meeting at which a quorum is present shall be the acts of the board. Any action taken by any board member(s) purporting to act on behalf of the board independently
without the prior consent of the board shall not be considered an act of the board, and shall be strictly prohibited in accordance with HRS chapter 414D.
ARTICLE V – BYLAWS DEFINITIONS
Section 11. Quorum of the Board of Directors.
A majority of the Board of Directors…".
Note that the definition of the quorum does not state “a majority of the currently filled Director positions”. It says “of the Board”. A quorum of the Board is five Directors. Without five Directors present at a meeting, no action taken is considered an act of the Board. Anyone taking action on any other basis is breaking Hawaii Revised Statute 414D (i.e. a law, not just the Bylaws).
It is absolutely imperative that the four vacant Board positions be filled immediately. This must be their first order of business. With only five Director positions filled, it will be difficult to organize meetings with a quorum.
The Board is also remiss in taking this action. As of today, the HPPOA website only mentions three vacancies.
ARTICLE VIII – BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Section 6. Vacancy. Vacancies in the board
shall be announced within two business days on the HPPOA website and bulletin board. They shall be filled by vote of the majority of the remaining directors, even though they may constitute less than a quorum,…
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A quorum at a membership meeting requires 30+ MEMBERS and no Board members NO Directors are required to attend a membership meeting, can't anyone read the bylaws or HRS 414-D.
"This is a mess. We need one of you who knows bylaws to HELP. Don't just sit silent if you know this is not going by the bylaws. Say something!"
The answer to your question is that there was nothing to say the membership meeting was legal, it's the last 3 board meetings that are in violation of the law and I don't mean bylaws.
It's the Boards job to know the bylaws from the day they start they are the ones who took the oath.............
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it cost when it’s free...now here come the taxes.....
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The three meetings labeled as invalid were Board meetings. Both recent membership meetings were valid, because a quorum of the members attended.
ARTICLE V – BYLAWS DEFINITIONS
Section 12. Quorum of the Membership. A majority of the members in good standing or 30 members in good standing, whichever is less.
ARTICLE VII – MEMBERSHIP MEETINGS
Section 3. Acts of the Association. The acts of a majority of the membership present at any membership meeting at which a quorum, as per Article V, Section 12, is present shall be the acts of the Association except as otherwise provided herein.
There is actually no provision in Article VII for participation of the Board in membership meetings. As one of the Directors informed members they were “guests” at Board meetings, so are Board members guests at membership meetings.
If a majority of the members present at a membership meeting at which there is a quorum of the membership vote in favor of a motion, it becomes an Act of the Association, i.e. binding on the Association and all its parts, just as an Act of the Board.
I’m not a scholar or legal expert. I am simply capable of reading and understanding English. There is no reason why all members of HPPOA cannot do exactly what I do with the Bylaws or HRS 414D.
I firmly believe that it is incumbent on all members to do so.
