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Originally posted by kimo wires
The Orchidland board is not following protocol. All of the entrance roads running perpendicular to Highway 130 are supposed to be paved in an order set by the paving plan before any other paving work is done. There are roads that aren't finished and those are the neglected roads that are in terrible shape and need to be done first. It's the right and fair thing to do for the people that use those sections every day and have been waiting years. The money diverted from those paving projects have been marked for resurfacing,paving, the existing chip seal roads.
Iilima road is a classic example of how this board operates. They spent 60,000 dollars to prep the road for paving and have abandoned the final phase, asphalt, and are now planning to instead pave over the chip seal. Meanwhile the prep work will degrade from weather and will probably need more prep, and wasteful spending, to bring it up to ready again.
Wes is Only trying to do what's right. As President he was chiefly responsible for bringing in a lot of the funds needed and resigned in protest when the BOD started enacting this unfairness.
This is hilarious! Ilima was prepped after the 2009 paving collection expired. Most of the funds in were depleted doing that work. At the same time, for years residents have complained about the chipsealed sections. Given that the 2006/2009 President OPPOSED both collections and paving, the subsequent board's hands were full. They had to make a decision as to which child would eat and which would have to wait for the next meal. NOTHING was DIVERTED, no assessments were in place at that time for chip-seal OR paving. They simply had to make a hard choice as to which would take priority as they knew, the membership would NOT approve both.
Ilima btw has a few potholes but it is holding up fine. Much of the cost was for removing tons of trash and hammering the road bed. Even if the substrate washes away (which it isn't), it wouldn't take much to prep again. At least those that use Ilima appreciate it.
[ u]WES had NOTHING to do with the collections policy.[/u] He started serving on the BOD AFTER the collections policy 99% complete.
This alone was a hard fought 1 1/2 year battle within the board as they were all threatened with lawsuits challenging the legality of it. They spent countless hours agonizing over the articles of inc., by-laws and 414D to finally come up a policy.
It's amazing how he takes credit for increasing compliance for a policy he had nothing to do with, counting people on payment plans as "compliant" while a majority of them have already stopped paying.
He resigned (to put it mildly) at a gen. membership mtg. after the MEMBERSHIP voted for something he did not agree with. He had presented a fee schedule ON HIS OWN as then President, that the BOD had no knowledge of, and expected everyone to fall in line. The BOD had nothing to do with his resignation. What unfairness are you speaking of? The fact that he did not get his way? Life's tough isn't it? It's all moot though, that vote will be rescinded and the membership will have yet another chance to disappoint him.
I agree that paving MUST be completed but Wes's solution by confiscating a fund that has a very clear and specific purpose, is simply wrong. He was at the meeting when this vote went through in 2011. He held his tongue for 2 years. Only now it's a huge injustice? I'm pretty sure he paid this assessment for the 2 years, otherwise he couldn't serve on the BOD. Or maybe, he knew the membership would not pass a paving assessment in 2011, so he let this chip-seal vote pass only to raise hell when there was a significant amount of money to go after. Just a thought.
Assuming he is correct (which I don't), the ONLY remedy I see is refunding those that have paid and start all over again. IF they take my money and use it for anything other than CS repair, game on.
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So ... anyone betting on whether County could do better?
Seriously: if "something must be done" about the "huge liability", and the associations aren't solving the problem, then a County takeover is inevitable, right?
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That was enlightening. And Complicating. I really don't know what to believe now. I guess it will all come boiling up to a head at the next General membership meeting. Should be a good show. In any case,Someone is dishing out some heavy misinformation. And the political BS is getting pretty deep.
One Thing I can always be sure of is that things will never go as expected.
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Originally posted by kimo wires
That was enlightening. And Complicating. I really don't know what to believe now. I guess it will all come boiling up to a head at the next General membership meeting. Should be a good show. In any case,Someone is dishing out some heavy misinformation. And the political BS is getting pretty deep.
This is perhaps the most reasonable statement in this whole thread.
There are 3 sides to every story, yours, mine, and the TRUTH.
Don't take anything I have said as the truth, I really don't care.
I do appreciate the fact that you are willing to process information before jumping to any conclusions, we need more of that.
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If this issue was such a HUGE bone of contention- then why didnt the lot owners (to busy to attend the meetings) hear of this sooner? Why has there not just been some kind of vote via postcard or something like that? If we need more money to do what we want (follow plan)- just vote on that also.
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Originally posted by unknownjulie
If this issue was such a HUGE bone of contention- then why didnt the lot owners (to busy to attend the meetings) hear of this sooner? Why has there not just been some kind of vote via postcard or something like that? If we need more money to do what we want (follow plan)- just vote on that also.
It always amuses me when people say "I don't have time". What makes people think those that serve on Boards are just as, if not more strapped for time? All I hear is a convenient excuse to crap on those that serve on boards. "If I only had the time, I know I could do a better job". I hear it ALL THE TIME.
I can't answer why those that don't make the time to go to meetings are not informed. Maybe it's because they don't make the time. I've always thought that getting informed is a personal responsibility. People don't have to go to mtgs. to read newsletters and minutes/ motions are posted on the OL website. This chipseal issue was written up in two newsletters before it went out for membership vote. The Board gets hammered constantly for spending too much on admin costs ($3000+ per mail out). Besides, this was not an issue until Wes quit. The 4 months he served as Pres. not once was it mentioned. Hmmmm.
Maybe this will help:
"I agree that paving MUST be completed but Wes's solution by confiscating a fund that has a very clear and specific purpose, is simply wrong. He was at the meeting when this vote went through in 2011. He held his tongue for 2 years. Only now it's a huge injustice? I'm pretty sure he paid this assessment for the 2 years, otherwise he couldn't serve on the BOD. Or maybe, he knew the membership would not pass a paving assessment in 2011, so he let this chip-seal vote pass only to raise hell when there was a significant amount of money to go after. Just a thought."
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I agree 4dog...makes me crazy to hear my neighbors complainign about the Board, or the conditions of the roads, or any other Orchidland issue, but when I say "do you go to the meetings?" they say "nah, I don't have the time." If you have time to complain, you have time to attend the meetings. One of the reasons we've had so many problems in the past is that the people with a personal agenda attend meetings and vote, while the "silent majority" sits at home and wonders why nothing ever changes.
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If you have time to complain, you have time to attend the meetings.
By the same token, my vote should matter in a democracy.
Wishing does not make it so.
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Originally posted by KeaauRich
I agree 4dog...makes me crazy to hear my neighbors complainign about the Board, or the conditions of the roads, or any other Orchidland issue, but when I say "do you go to the meetings?" they say "nah, I don't have the time." If you have time to complain, you have time to attend the meetings. One of the reasons we've had so many problems in the past is that the people with a personal agenda attend meetings and vote, while the "silent majority" sits at home and wonders why nothing ever changes.
"Silence = consent". Robert's Rules of Order.
Complaint driven organizations are doomed to failure.
What you say is absolutely true, particularly at membership mtgs.
Those attending, dictate what goes out to the membership for vote. Then it becomes a choice of what THEY want rather than what the membership wants. Given that about 10% of lot owners actually bother to vote, this "democracy" that so many speak of is in reality a plutocracy.
Year after year, "special interest groups" show up at meetings and kill reasonable motions, then pass motions that favor their agenda. The membership is left with options that hit the ballot while perhaps the best option is left for dead.
Such is life and is why Wes quit.
In fact, the members at the last GM mtg. HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEY JUST VOTED FOR and is why that vote is being rescinded and voted on again at the special mtg. March 1st.
It had NOTHING to do with the CS fund, and everything to do with what he alone was pushing for the 2014/2015 fee structure.
There is nothing wrong with having an "agenda", we ALL have one. The fault lies in apathy and contempt (very alive and well in OL), both of which prevents participation and productive discussion.
My hope is that the leadership/management is strong enough to create policy that is wise enough, and fair enough to serve the community as a whole. The membership MUST get engaged NOW, to shape the future of OL.
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quote:If you have time to complain, you have time to attend the meetings.
The Special Membership Meeting is this Saturday, 9AM, 3/1 at the Connection Point Church, 15-1839 32nd Ave., in HPP between Paradise and Maku'u. These issues will be discussed.
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