Home Defense Shooting? Or Mistaken Victim?

[terracore]

Some people kill themselves by running their car in the garage with the door closed. More cars = more suicides. But the auto industry does not care.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Examples are great, if they took place in Puna

Portion of Hawaii’s drinking water that comes from underground wells : 9/10
Gallons of raw sewage that leak into the ground from Hawaii cesspools each day : 53,000,000 - Harper's Index

[terracore]

"Guns just get better media coverage ... because guns"

The two-party system exists to give us the illusion of choice. They keep us divided on a number of issues (abortion, religion, Iraq, etc) to further facilitate keeping us divided. Our founding fathers overthrew what they believed was an oppressive, dividing government that was likewise limiting their choices. Our founding fathers armed civilian soldiers (Minutemen) and they overthrew the government.

If you think the second amendment has anything to do with pig hunting, home protection, or target practice, you need to take a look at the rifles that were in circulation when the second amendment was written. A bayonet really only has one use, disemboweling the human that was on the receiving end of it. If that doesn't define the function of an "assault rifle", I'm not sure what does. I've never heard of somebody hunting ducks with the bayonet blade at the end of a rifle.

Guns have been a part of USA culture for hundreds of years. Mass shootings have only been a part or culture since people started taking anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications. (Except for that one guy who climbed the clock tower who had Glioblastoma (brain cancer)). Just google "mass shootings caused by antidepressants" and spend a few hours of research. Where are the cries to ban big pharma products?

Guns don't kill. Anti-depressants have a LABEL on them that warns they can cause feelings of suicide. How many of these mass-shooters have been on these drugs? Almost all of them that we know of. But the media doesn't report it because that doesn't fit the narrative of keeping us divided.

Or like it has already been eloquently stated: "Guns just get better media coverage ... because guns".

[kalakoa]

A bayonet really only has one use

A bayonet need not be attached to a firearm to be effective.

[terracore]

In gun-banned UK, London recently overtook New York City for murders per capita, mostly by stabbings. I'm sure that banning bayonets and other bladed tools will follow, then they will move onto banning sticks with nails in them, because one thing that we've learned over and over and over again, is that prohibition always works, and that it only keeps the criminal elements from gaining access to the prohibited items without putting unnecessary barriers to allow law-abiding citizens access to the same commodities.

Right?

[Kapoho Joe]

Canada has very restrictive gun laws and yet someone found a way to murder a dozen people. Time to ban vans?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I wonder what would have happened if the resident in Ewa Beach didn't own a gun on that night when the Navy officer pounded on his door at 3 AM? What would have happened? Here's what I think.

He wakes up, someone is knocking loudly in the middle of the night, possibly sounding belligerent, maybe even a little confused, or crazy. What would be his best line of defense in this situation? Call 911. The police arrive and arrest the guy at the front door.

Or, maybe the Navy officer is perseverant, and strong, and maybe pushes the door in. Worst case scenario, they scuffle for a minute. Then the police arrive and arrest the guy.

Without imaginations run wild with fear from stories heard about places not only far away in distance, but a world away in socioeconomic, and cultural differences, the guy in Ewa Beach might have made decisions based on his actual place of residence, and the real risk factors in his neighborhood, and would have determined there was little use for a gun in the world where he lived. If he was capable of accurately determining risk.

Maybe then, the Navy sailor would be alive today. Almost certainly, he'd be alive.

Portion of Hawaii’s drinking water that comes from underground wells : 9/10
Gallons of raw sewage that leak into the ground from Hawaii cesspools each day : 53,000,000 - Harper's Index

[kalakoa]

the guy in Ewa Beach might have made decisions based on his actual place of residence, and the real risk factors in his neighborhood

In other words, someone "acting responsibly" might not have responded with a gunshot through the door at head level?

Sounds an awful lot like "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Remember, this was a "law-abiding citizen" who was deemed fit to own a firearm...

[PaulW]

Cars and vans are not built, designed and tested for killing the maximum amount of people in the shortest amount of time.
Any comparison with guns is pure stupidity, or, more likely, brainwashing by the NRA. Free yourself.

New York City has a very low murder rate, thanks in part to restrictions on guns.

Good point HOTPE.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Remember, this was a "law-abiding citizen" who was deemed fit to own a firearm...

It's almost as if those who determine what laws we live with here in Hawaii find there's no necessity to take into account the relationship between cause & effect, action & reaction, or imagination & reality.

Portion of Hawaii’s drinking water that comes from underground wells : 9/10
Gallons of raw sewage that leak into the ground from Hawaii cesspools each day : 53,000,000 - Harper's Index