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Originally posted by Rob Tucker
I would prefer to see data regarding Hawaii and not see this topic evolve into the realm of national debate on gun ownership / control.
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I agree about keeping subjects in here about Hawaii. But this subject is too strong of a subject to keep bottled into just a Hawaii topic. Especially when it regards America's Constitution.
The State of Hawaii is within their rights to have restrictive laws yes, but in 08' the Supreme Court overturned D.C's gun ban stating that the second amendment GUARANTEES our rights to own a gun for self defense which a federal judge just upheld. The opening post had a "Belief" that Hawaii could be the first to ban all guns. If we don't look at what has happened in other states concerning bans on guns we are really leaving ourselves here in Hawaii in the dark.
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islandlvng,
I see no direct relation between Hawaii and the Washington D.C. case. While you might want to make the national case for gun rights I am going to have to ask you on Punaweb to keep the subject in local terms. If you can't figure out how to relate it to Hawaii then it doesn't belong here.
Let us know if, when and how the state legislature intends to ban guns in Hawaii.
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Mahalo pog, All modesty aside, I thought it was a pun of the highest caliber.
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Originally posted by pog...Now back to the Hatfields and McCoys.
Hey I am a Mc Coy or rather my late husband was... lol.... through the Dumond side!
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All I require is that the subject stay in Hawaiian terms and be civil.
It seems that hawaiideborah and I are both bored or not impressed with people bringing in mainland gun issues.
It's not too complicated and hawaiideborah does not need to be disparaged for her opinion.
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Hawaii's new Castle law relating to civil liability is tricky ...best to know your rights.
You are expected to flee from a perp unless confrontation is unavoiadable...
You can only use deadly force if you believe there is no other option.
It could be complicated if there is no conviction.
Think that could happen here?
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"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
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Big Islander to be.
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ran in to this over coffee:
"There are two things a person should never be angry at, what they can help, and what they cannot.” plato - 428bc
may apply to some of these hot topics....... Plato must have been Hawaiian
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I'm coming in a little late in this thread as I generally avoid most (but not all) of the polemical issues like guns. However, Tom's situation struck me as being closely related to my own experiences as a mental health professional working with law enforcement in the area of "mental disorder." I certainly agree with Bob Orts about the lack of legislative professionalism in writing laws that compel law enforcement to diagnose mental disorder:
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ETA: To ensure no one has the wrong impression of Tom's situation, under Hawaii and 40 other state laws, Mental Illness disqualification/ineligibility amount to saying Stink Eye or honking a horn is a Violent Homicidal Action. It does not mean a person is mentally ill. Mental illness encompasses a very broad range of public feelings that may have nothing to do with the person's mental state.
Hawai'i should not give law enforcement the power to make a determination of "mental disorder." If we are to have a mental disorder clause in Hawai'i gun laws, which I believe a very reasonable requirement, the legislature should provide a professional review, at state expense, to determine whether gun ownership should be legally denied.
In a very analogous situation, with a master's level education in clinical psychology, I was involved in the initial implementation of a 1974 Washington State law reforming involuntary civil ("mental") commitment. I would perform an initial mental status evaluation of a request (public or police) for a 72 hour involuntary commitment, sometimes under stressful circumstances. This was required for the police to legally place a person in involuntary custody for transport to a psychiatric facility. Then other professionals above my pay grade would make a substantial examination to see whether further involuntary confinement was necessitated.
In that experience, I discovered that law enforcement is usually uncomfortable determining mental status and generally wants out of that process. It would be nice to think that Hawai'i County law enforcement would urge the legislature to professionalize this process. My position was funded by the state and my services were free. It might be a hoop to go through, but based on Tom's description (and really not trying to do a Bill Frist long distance diagnosis here either) it would seem that a professional evaluation might not come to the same conclusion that the police did.
