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Don't know which HI Nation you're talking about, but none of the Kanaka Maoli I've talked with want the status of Native Americans and vehemently oppose the Akaka Bill. Heck, even the Native Americans don't want this arrangement. They just want their stolen lands back. There is nothing "sovereign" about this. Akaka and Inouye do not have good intentions for the Hawaiian people.
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped" Dr. Ron Paul 2012
Mahalo. I'm Hawaiian and I'm not signing. The lands can never be stolen, they just changed the papers. This is a worthless piece of paper. I'm not signing and starting education on why it disenfranchises us further. Hawaiians in the mainland will not have a say. Most Hawaiians who are knowledgeable about history will not sign. In other words, only the ones who are disconnect will determine what is good for us. If they do they're part of some exclusive groups who benefit financially from this senseless waste of money.
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My wife is 100 % Native American and I respect her for that as I respect the Hawaiians This is your home and I can only hope you are willing to share your home with us mahalo
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Originally posted by pahoated
I am aware of the divisions between Marquesas-descendant Kanaks and the Tahitian-descendant "native Hawaiians". Fact is, neither is native, they both immigrated to these islands. And in reality, nobody is "native" unless they are Kenyans born in Kenya, where humans originated and started their migrations.
I know Kanaks and native Hawaiians and they generally agree on one thing. A Hawaiian Nation for them is if haole goes back home where he belongs. However, they know that is not realistic. Not sure why so many people these days have so many problems with metaphor and simile, but "like Native Americans" does not mean "become them". It means the recognition of a native identification with the federal government and that sovereign nation determining their own form of government and society. It means first rights to beach access, fishing and mineral resources. I have seen the changes first hand with the Suquamish, the Duwamish, the Muckleshoots, as well as the Sioux, their standard of living improving rapidly with the federal recognition these nations have the right to pursue their own destiny, not the one programmed in by the manifest destiny judeochristian european caucasian overlords.
Many haole here, know the truth. Some are our respected friends. There were non hawaiian, Hawaiian Nationals in the Kingdom of Hawai`i. They were people who were respected in our community.
I agree that we deserve to pursue our own destiny just as everyone should. Federal Recognition just further subjugates us, which is why we will not sign. The motto for our independent state is as follows: "Ua mau ke `ea o ka `aina i ka pono" It doesn't mean "the life of the land is rightous" it means "The sovereignty of the land is by right perpetual." In other words, this paper does nothing for us. There is no division between marquesian and Tahitians, I don't know where you get that from. The word is kanaka. I don't know who kanaks are.
The Kenyans didn't migrate here, on their own and create the Hawaiian Culture. Although I respect Kenyans and have a friend from there. The truth is all that matters.
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have the right to pursue their own destiny, not the one programmed in by the manifest destiny judeochristian european caucasian overlords.
Hell, I'd love some of that and I'm a white guy.
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This initiative is not going to give us anything so it doesn't matter if you're white or brown. It's useless.
My point was that you didn't have to be "native american" or "hawaiian" to want control of your destiny. It would be nice where you just had that fact and didn't need a special designation.
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My wife is 100 % Native American and I respect her for that as I respect the Hawaiians This is your home and I can only hope you are willing to share your home with us mahalo
Hi, We already do. Non Hawaiian, Hawaiian Nationals were respected during the time of the Hawaiian Kingdom. Especially when they respect the people and the land. No one is left out. The problems arise when others move here, and expect us to be like them, with all the amenities. They try to change the land and culture to their liking. For the most part, I grew up around others not Hawaiian and we had a "mutual respect" for each other. Actually, I consider them my brothers and sisters cause we were all so close.
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That was my point as well.
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Originally posted by ericlp
Many of us do live close to the Hawaiian way yet are progressing because we live in the 20 century..thank you! My grass shack has internet. None of us will live the olden way and we have evolved btw, we are flourishing. This is an american piece of paper that as nothing to do with Hawaiians. It's there to cause indifference in the community which shows true in your reply. Most of us will not sign the paper. I won't. It's useless.
Sad to say if you use a green back you have already signed the paper and have been bought and sold into it. "In god we trust" is there for a reason. Think about it.
Good Luck
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Originally posted by maukamakai
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Originally posted by ericlp
Many of us do live close to the Hawaiian way yet are progressing because we live in the 20 century..thank you! My grass shack has internet. None of us will live the olden way and we have evolved btw, we are flourishing. This is an american piece of paper that as nothing to do with Hawaiians. It's there to cause indifference in the community which shows true in your reply. Most of us will not sign the paper. I won't. It's useless.
Sad to say if you use a green back you have already signed the paper and have been bought and sold into it. "In god we trust" is there for a reason. Think about it.
Good Luck
Thanks but I don't know what you are referring to. We in the community barter with each other, just as our ancestors did. It is great.
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Maukamakai,
I love your attitude and I agree with you 100% on how things should be. I want to know what you barter with the county tax guy? The only limitation I can find with living my life the way I want to is the fact that no matter what, I need to give American dollars for property tax every year. If I could clear that hurdle I'd have liberty.
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Thank you. I just think it is very realistic. Respecting others for their unique culture is also important.
Lots of people in america are bartering. Money is not worth anything in reality anyway. I heard that income taxes are voluntary. Garden veggies are what we barter. We can grow our food year round and share it with the community. It doesn't require having native blood. We don't expect anything in return but it always comes back to us. We don't have any official agreements. Just sharing and building a community around it. I know lots of others are doing it that are not Hawaiian. So it is possible.
