Kehena Beach; What to do-do?

[snorkle]

Sativa says;
" Kehena Beach is a special area and we don't need stores, roads, and parking lots covering the beautiful landscape."
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I was wondering if she has any ideas on what to do with the Caca and urine from all the visitors to the special place. Does she seriously think that a hundred or so people on a Sunday don't "sully" up the place a little?

Any development ideas?
Are sandwich bags adequate?
Is this Russell's fault?

edit: Sorry Rob, I probably should have placed this on the punatalk forum.......

edit; deleted vendetta reference; it will surely come......

[missydog1]

Deleted. (Comment no longer applies because topic was moved.)

[kalakoa]

what to do with the Caca and urine from all the visitors to the special place

Ironically, the "sustainable living" option does not include a blanket waiver on waste disposal -- it merely allows ("directs County to create a process that would allow") "alternatives" like composting toilets.

The anti-development folks are quick to attack any and all proposals that would impact their "country lifestyle", but they always insist that these solutions be County-wide (regardless of what other areas might want) and I have yet to see any useful alternatives offered (other than "drive to town").

I find it somewhat ironic when legitimate questions are labeled "trollbait".

[snorkle]

(Thanks for moving this to the proper forum, Rob)

The State already has Composting toilets installed at a Big Island location; (Manuka State Park). Would this technology be appropriate at Kahepa,(oops) Kahena?

Or would it be just be another illegal and unethical plot by the state(Russell) to bring unwanted sanitation to the unwashed/wiped masses?

edit; typo

[bananahead]

Snorkle wtf??
Crap at Kehena ??? ya right...

have you been to Kehena???

if you want to find crap... literally..... go to Champagne Ponds or Kapoho Tidal Pools... or any where tourists or mainland newbie transfers visit... thats where you will find the crap, diapers, and TP all over the place..., they (newbies) are not eco-friendly and have no clue about live in nature (ie they NEED a toilet, ie will drive many miles just to sit and pee)

Try finding crap at Kehena... try all you want and you will have a difficult time as most there go uptop and into the jungle across the street from the beach.... of just walk a block home or actually go before they get to the beach
Pee is a different story.. most everyone at Kehena do their Nitrogen fix in nature or in the ocean... Like Natural
aloha

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[snorkle]

Thanks for your response, Banahead.

To answer your question, yes I've visited Kehena for almost thirty years. From the time it was an "alternative" beach to Harry K Brown, to it's present incarnation as the ONLY beach on the Puna coastline..

I have indeed found toilet paper and other signs of misuse on the beach. (Well, to be honest, up against the cliff, but still...) I avoid the place on weekends when the crowds max out, but please don't tell me that out of a hundred or more people visiting on Sunday, a few aren't opting for convenience instead of climbing the steep trail for the dubious distinction of crapping in the woods..

Even if most of the "eco-friendly" regulars sh+t across the street in the bush; I don't really see this as a safe, viable practice. Call me old fashioned.

So you would be against improving the sanitation situation at the most heavily visited area between Kalapana and Isaak Hale Beach Park?

I respect that, but disagree.

[opihikao]

We don't go down there anymore due to the "free spirits" (not uhane, I mean humans).

All I can say is we all better pay attention and start respecting the few places we have to enjoy. "Rainbow" people kind of disrespect to our aina cannot, and should not be allowed to continue.

As we recover from the hurricane, and watch the lava flow, well... remember what happened to Kaimu Black Sand Beach, Queen's Bath, Harry K. Brown Park, and more.

Tutu Pele will take back what we don't respectfully enjoy.

JMO.

[csgray]

Since sh*t flows downhill walking across the street to do your business isn't going to change the end result.

We used to live in Seaview and all those cars parked along the road on both sides every Sunday for the whole day did not belong to people who were going to be able to just walk home to go to the bathroom. We also lived in Kapoho, both Vacationland and Beachlots and I would say the level of TP and diapers in the bushes is about the same at Kehena and Champagne ponds. I've also done beach cleanups at 4 Mile Beach with students and found poopy diapers lying on the ground less than 3 feet from a rubbish can. That beach is not frequented by "newbies" and the people driving 4 wheel drive trucks and SUVs in the back road to camp, swim and fish by the Champagne ponds are mostly long term residents, so trying to blame this on "newbies" is incorrect.

There are very conscientious people who move here that know how to deal with their bodily functions in a non polluting way, and there are "born here, not flown here" people who leave rubbish and dirty diapers wherever they feel like it. There are ignorant young adventurers from the mainland suburbs who come here to be one with nature and are clueless on how to do that correctly, and there are locals who live so closely in harmony with the aina that they leave a minimal footprint. Trying to lay all the responsibilities on one group is way too simplistic. Both places need well designed and built composting toilets, or at least port a potties, because those areas are heavily used, pretending the people don't have bodily functions isn't working.

Carol

[Rob Tucker]

It must have been a tourist with a D9 that carved that road in to Champagne pond and greatly increased the traffic and usage. Of course DLNR did nothing about that.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

It's not pretty, but these warning labels would keep most people out of the woods.
Could only find UK source, but I'm sure they could ship:
http://www.labelsourceonline.co.uk/Labor...dlist.html