HPP Biz

[kalakoa]

Maybe because the population of HPP runs about 10:1 or more

Yes, and the drama scales exponentially rather than linearly, so HPP has approximately 100x more drama than the next most dysfunctional subdivision -- just amazing what you can (not) accomplish with a budget of $2M/year.

[snorkle]

Here's some constructive criticism;

1. Elect volunteer representatives.
2. Allow them to do the work.
3. If they are ineffective, elect someone else.
4. If you think you can do better, run for a board seat.


It is what it is. Don't try and micro-manage. There are regular elections; that is your opportunity for change.

You want to turn a "chip-seal" issue into a whole membership vote? What are your elected board members there for?

By the way; If you are uncomfortable with my involvement in your neighborhood's business, please keep it off of my computer. If punaweb was NASCAR, you guys would be the fiery wreck that is so dang compelling. (You too, Hawaiian acres)

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[shockwave rider]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

Maybe because the population of HPP runs about 10:1 or more

Yes, and the drama scales exponentially rather than linearly, so HPP has approximately 100x more drama than the next most dysfunctional subdivision -- just amazing what you can (not) accomplish with a budget of $2M/year.

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Do you have some sort of data to back up your assertion, or are you just making sh*t up and stating it as fact as usual?

[Chas]

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Originally posted by kalakoa


Luckily our road is already paved.

Exactly: that's the "I got mine, who cares about yours" that seems so prevalent here.

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That is not what I meant at all. Don't put words in my mouth. You don't speak for me.

[kalakoa]

Do you have some sort of data to back up your assertion

Compare the number and size of threads devoted to the various subdivisions. HPP is the clear winner, even if a 10:1 ratio exaggerates this fact slightly.

That is not what I meant at all.

Oh?

Luckily our road is already paved. Guess that was before everything fell apart.

So, just "lucky", and how unfortunate for those who came after "everything fell apart". Similar in its way to "I got my DSL back when Telcom was installing it".

Meanwhile, HPP squanders its $2M/year budget, did anyone get new pavement out of the deal?

[mermaid53]

Originally posted by snorkle:

Here's some constructive criticism;
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And here's mine... you don't know what you're talking about. So go micromanage somewhere else. What you suggest doesn't and hasn't worked here. What elections?!!! The last one was a joke and so are filling board vacancies. We had 6 resignations in less than a year bc no one wants to work w/these people and they don't want to work with certain people who want accountability. Notice how quickly vacant seats get filled? Everyone is sue happy...I won't even go there at how many suits may be going on currently.

You must have a lot of money but there are many of us who don't. Why wouldn't we want our monies to be spent wisely? We have lost confidence w/this management in making the right and ethical decisions FOR US and if we think we need to micromanage these people to ensure that further reckless decisions aren't made, then so be it.

[Chas]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

That is not what I meant at all.

Oh?

Luckily our road is already paved. Guess that was before everything fell apart.

So, just "lucky", and how unfortunate for those who came after "everything fell apart". Similar in its way to "I got my DSL back when Telcom was installing it".

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As I said, DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

Yes, it is unfortunate for those who don't have their road paved. That doesn't mean "too bad for them" or "I got mine who cares about yours"

It means let's see what we can do to solve the problems and get EVERYONE'S road paved. I'm sure everyone on here understood that EXCEPT you.

I used to think you were intelligent. Now I just think you're a jerk.

[Rob Tucker]

Kalakoa,

I am not at all impressed with people who try to speak for others in that manner. You are rewarded with a week vacation from Punaweb.

Assume the best and ask questions.

Punaweb moderator

[mermaid53]

Originally posted by Chas

Yes, it is unfortunate for those who don't have their road paved.

It means let's see what we can do to solve the problems and get EVERYONE'S road paved.
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Sadly, I don't think there's a way to do this anymore. That ship has sailed. Those of us on dirt roads are still paying the same road fees as those on paved roads. Our bond $ is all gone and won't be paid off until around 2027 AND there's a penalty if we pay it off earlier. We were told the bond was supposed to pave all our roads. Why didn't they pave them all in that 1st yr or two? Why did they do it in 4 phases or so that stretched out over several years? Then we heard prices had gone up over time on everything and sorry, but now all the roads won't be paved.

A geological engineer UH professor friend of ours along w/colleagues of his, assesses catastrophies (Kauai dam failure) and does proactive assessments all over the world. He was visiting us last yr March to assess the Hilo docks which he said needs attention. He's also written a text book that came out last year, "Soil Improvement and Ground Modification Methods".

I asked him to look at our road material. His comment was that what we had on our roads wasn't road material. It's good for gardens and base coarse under asphalt. That the combination won't bond. The cinder turns into dust over time and all you have left is the hard rock rolling around on top. That's what you see all over HPP. He asked why we weren't paying a bit more to get better quality and less turn around time in dropping more material. You get what you pay for even in road material.

How about researching what the best "road" material is? People have said 5-6 yrs ago there wasn't as many dust complaints. The material laid back then would dissipate quickly after driving down the roads. Now the dust lingers in the air and takes awhile to dissipate. Some people said they didn't have problems w/their red cinder roads until that other crappy material we all see around HPP got laid down on top of it. My red cinder road was fine until they laid that other stuff over it.

[Chas]

Mermaid, I agree, that ship has sailed. In my original message I was agreeing that maybe the best thing IS to use the money to sue or find a way to make the county take over the roads.

But then again, I can also see the point of view of people who paid a higher price to live in a development that has county owned roads.

Kinda makes you want to just throw up your hands and give upÉ or is that what some would want us to do?

Arrrgggg!