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Originally posted by Obie
Guess you haven't been down here in a while.
There is a very large population of Young people in that area.
Here is a website of one of the colonies where this disease is spreading !
http://www.cinderlandecovillage.org/
Good Luck to you all !!
Tried to ignore this one Obie, but my Bullsh1t meter was off the charts!
First of all - Cinderland is down by 4 corners - nowhere on the map shows 4 corners being infected. Second - what do you have against young people (having been one once yourself presumably)? Lastly it's not a colony, it's an intentional community that was created out of bare lava rock. Pretty impressive considering the many gardens that they have now.
I would like you remind you that we are all in the same canoe brother. Mosquitos don't discriminate - why do you?
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@kapoho_joe... Those people in Cinderland aren't the type who go to the doctor. There are a number of them that have had, and presently do have, dengue fever. I wouldn't call it a colony or a community. just a bunch of young people that simply don't want to work and yet want the free handouts with the ability to get high anytime they want.
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It's also possible to become reinfected at a later time.
For clarity there are 4 strains of the dengue virus denoted as DENV-1, -2, -3, -4. The strain for this outbreak is DENV-1 which is the same strain seen previously on Maui. Infection from any strain will grant life-long immunity for just that strain; however, a subsequent infection from a different strain has an increased risk (5-20% DoH said) of complications including bleeding such as dengue hemorrhagic fever or dengue shock syndrome.
http://www.denguevirusnet.com/dengue-virus.html
http://www.denguevirusnet.com/dengue-hae...fever.html
As such, anyone who has had dengue in the past from a different strain, or tends to travel to areas where the other dengue strains are prevalent, is more at risk for health complications from a subsequent dengue infection.
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Three points:
First, computer mapping using GIS from Arcview is the gold standard and used by virtually every governmental body in the United States, it breaks data down by polygons and there is no manual dragging and dropping involved. Police departments in particular use it heavily to track crime by location. So if they input the TMK or coordinates for a dengue fever case it would automatically mark that exact spot. I've seen maps produced by Hawaii County using that technology, so I know they have the software and someone who knows how to use it. If they wanted to produce exact maps of locations, and the DOH shared the data with them, they could easily do it.
Second, each pin does not represent one case, but instead represents one site for confirmed, suspected, or ruled out cases, depending on the color of the pin. Commonly size of the marker is used to indicate number of instances, the more of what ever is being mapped, the larger the marker.
Third, dengue fever had to have been brought to Hawaii by someone who had been some place that has it and where they caught it. People are contagious for a short time before they have symptoms, so a carrier would have gotten sick soon after arriving in Hawaii. It cannot just spontaneously erupt in a community, no matter their lifestyle.
The fact that Ho'okena, which has camping that is favored by our more adventurous visitors, was the common hot spot for so many cases, and that the first widely known cases were professional tourists who videotape themselves having outdoor adventures all over the world and who were camped at Ho'okena when they got sick, makes me think that they are likely to have brought it here, then all the locals who camp, fish, and live in the village down there were exposed and it spread through our community. Sunset at Ho'okena is a pretty popular pau hana activity, and the heavy rains we had, plus the pools of water from the showers, would have increased the mosquito population to a much higher level than normal for South Kona.
When the landscape crew from Hilo showed up to mow next door today I thought about what a good spread vector they would be. They work outdoors starting at dawn, travel all over widely distributed areas to service their clients, and I've never seen them use repellent, even when they are slapping mosquitos like crazy. At least they wear neon long sleeved shirts and long pants to work.
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I've seen the papaya leaf extract posts before, but here are two scientific sourced articles on the subject:
http://cgpsl.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/119.pdf
http://www.clinicalresearch.my/papaya-le...treatment/
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Good finds there, but unfortunately there are no blood tests from a control group that did not get papaya leaf juice, so there is no way to tell if the improvement in blood cell counts is linked to treatment or not.
Perhaps DoH recognized this shortcoming and is doing their utmost to create an island-wide no-treatment control group. Spend some time outside if you'd like to opt-in
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"there are no blood tests from a control group that did not get papaya leaf juice"
I do appreciate your scientific acumen, but wouldn't that control group consist of EVERYBODY who has ever had a blood test with Dengue that didn't drink papaya leaf juice? In other words, close to 100% of everybody who has 1) had Dengue and 2) had their blood tested? I'm pretty sure that data is out there. Not in a tidy double-blind format, but considering that papaya leaf juice is free to most of us, and if there are no downsides, why not try it?
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http://www.delapuravida.com/2015/papaya-...ikungunya/
Clear directions on how to use papaya leaves to make the drink.
scroll down to references for document research information.
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If you google "papaya leaves are poisonous" ,You can come up with some interesting results.Here is one and its from webmd:
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-488-papaya.aspx?activeingredientid=488&activeingredientname=papaya
