Jones act hurting Puerto Rico?

[Frank]

Thank you Here for the schooling...

My intent is to draw out the outrage and effort applied by democrats in our State over the last 50 years to get relief from this outrages act...can you or anyone on punaweb provide such evidence?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

outrage and effort applied by democrats

As the Hawaii House and Senate have no control over the Jones Act, any effort would have to come from our two US Senators within the 100 member US Senate, and our two US Representatives in the 435 member House.

Any US Senator or US Representative in a state with a shipbuilding industry, Democrat or Republican, or wealthy administration official with business ties to shipping (see earlier post) will be against the repeal of the Jones Act, no matter what type of legislation our Hawaii representatives might introduce.

The Donner Party really wasn't that great of a party, was it?

[leilanidude]

As the Hawaii House and Senate have no control over the Jones Act, any effort would have to come from our two US Senators within the 100 member US Senate, and our two US Representatives in the 435 member House.
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Did the late Democratic Senator Daniel Inouye do anything on this issue for Hawaii in his nearly 50 years in the position, even after rising to President pro tempore (3rd in line in succession to be president)?

[MarkD]

From HOTPE: It's interesting that you're OK with the freedom to post anything here, even out of thin air...

Saying this is quite a stretch. A rather extreme extrapolation of my comments.

So we do not disturb this thread anymore, I'll post a new thread within a day on unsubstantiated comments.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Did the late Democratic Senator Daniel Inouye do anything on this issue ... even after rising to President pro tempore (3rd in line in succession to be president)?

Yes!
Because we all recognize the huge legislative impacts made by our Vice Presidents over the years, even higher up the food chain, 2nd in the line of succession to the presidency.

Senator Inouye was one senator out of 100, and he no doubt had learned over the years to choose his battles.

So, with the rest of his men pinned down by heavy weapons, the wounded Lieutenant grabbed a backpack of frags and started army-crawling up the ridge towards the enemy guns. As soon as he was close enough, he assaulted the first machine gun nest on his own, taking it out with a grenade from just five yards away and then clearing the rest of it out Al Capone-style with a spray of .45-caliber ammunition from his Tommy gun. When that one was taken care of, Inouye sprinted to a second position, dual-chucking two grenades...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnip9JoKG4I

The Donner Party really wasn't that great of a party, was it?

[Eric1600]

Frank, I think you're confusing two issues. The reason people are pissed about Trump and the Jones act is how he stalled for a week before doing anything, whereas for Texas or Florida there was no question. In addition many congress people had to apply pressure to get him to even consider it. In the meantime he was sending out over 20 tweets about the NFL. So getting help to PR seemed pretty low on the list, no trips, no comments, not even a break from import duties via the Jones Act. And PR needs a long-term break for at least a year, if not more, due to their debt and struggling economy.

So if you want to revisit the entire GOP/DEM history on who supported the Act and who didn't, you'll find very few people cared. If you read my earlier post you'll find many GOP and DEMS are split on it. Add the maritime lobby in the mix and probably nothing will get done. Especially with Chao in the transportation department.

In Hawaii's case the economy is strong enough to support the additional tax burden and still grow -- and people grumble that prices will be slightly higher. However if we have a PR style hurricane that could quickly change, at least for a year, probably more. This burden hasn't been high enough for people to push this issue because most of the federal GOPs and DEMs senate members prefer status quo.

[punaticbychoice]

Eric1600 @ 14:29:19-
Agreed.
All good and accurate points.

[geochem]

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Originally posted by leilanidude

Did the late Democratic Senator Daniel Inouye do anything on this issue for Hawaii in his nearly 50 years in the position, even after rising to President pro tempore (3rd in line in succession to be president)?

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No, he did not support repeal of the Jones Act - and was quoted several times to that effect during his tenure.

Contrary to glinda's rant, I have always assumed that the deciding factor for Inouye was the union support for the Jones Act (maritime, longshorman's, etc.) from whom Senator Inouye always received strong support.

I will also take strong issue with Eric1600's comment that this is a small tax: a couple of years ago, I had a mainland shipping broker tell me that, for the cost of transporting each shipping container to me in Hawaii, he could ship two containers - ---- to India.

[Frank]

Eric

The Jones Act would not be an issue if it were not economic based. I'm not interested in why people are pissed off with Trump...Money matters in Hawaii


"In Hawaii's case the economy is strong enough to support the additional tax burden and still grow"

your tale above ?

I'm interested in timely responses, to situations of nation involving natural disasters, by my government. Seems to be happening...seems better than Katrina

The state of affairs in this State today can only be laid at the feet of 1 party for they have been in control for 50 years, at, I suspect, all levels of gov

[glinda]

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Originally posted by geochem

Contrary to glinda's rant, I have always assumed that the deciding factor for Inouye was the union support for the Jones Act (maritime, longshorman's, etc.) from whom Senator Inouye always received strong support.

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I don't recall speculating on why Inouye favored the Jones Act, though I do recall him saying something about the need to maintain a maritime industry that without federal intervention would collapse. An industry that in times of emergency, war etc., could be leveraged to augment our military. Unfortunately this still boils down to corporate welfare. Personally I would rather you got those two containers for the price of one verses all of us being gouged so deeply for whatever excuse Dan and his buddies cooked up.

I personally liked Dan and thought he did a lot for so many here in the islands. But when it came to military matters I felt he had a blind spot. But as long as he had that one sleeve rolled up as he did I had way too much respect for him to argue with him directly. Still and all, I believe the Jones Act should be repealed. I mean come on, as it is the military gets what, half? of our government budget? It's ridiculous to use them as an excuse for anything. They could buy the moon if they wanted too.