Wuhan Corona Virus Coming Soon? (Now Here)

[Guest]

Who is really telling the truth about this Doctor's death and the seriousness of this Coronavirus outbreak?

The news from China states the Doctor Li Wenlaing died of a heart attack. Yet, Our very own CNN reports that the Doctor died from complications resulting from the Coronavirus. China also states that the 28 year old Doctor worked 10 strait days without sleep and this caused his heart attack.

What are the actual numbers associated with the Coronavirus if China claims other reasons of death like heart attack?
Why would the Doctor be allowed to work around the public if he was infected with this Coronavirus to begin with?
Was the Doctor ever cured from this Coronavirus and by whom?

[PaulW]

"Sure, the doctor who was arrested for fearmongering about this new infection back in December. Was exposed to it multiple times."

Not true. Treated patient with virus Jan 10, in hospital Jan 31. Source:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world...virus.html

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

What's your advice... while we wait to find out?

Johnson & Johnson began work on a vaccine two weeks ago. In the meantime their advice is the same for Puna as anywhere else in the world. Maintain “basic hand and respiratory hygiene, safe food practices, and avoiding close contact, when possible, with anyone showing symptoms of respiratory illness, such as coughing and sneezing.”

From their website:
According to the WHO, as of January 2020, the proportion of deaths caused by the novel coronavirus in currently reported cases was 4%, but this may change as more cases are confirmed, and if the virus mutates.

At this stage of the outbreak, most deaths associated with the novel coronavirus have been in older men, many of whom had pre-existing health issues.
https://www.jnj.com/latest-news/what-you...on-vaccine

[kander]

quote:

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Originally posted by PaulW

Not true. Treated patient with virus Jan 10, in hospital Jan 31. Source:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world...virus.html

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang regardless of the first infection date the poor bastard languished for the better part of a month. The incubation period can be between 2 and 20 days (14 day ave) that certainly leaves a lot of time for spreading this vile disease.
Which brings up another point of super spreaders who show no signs of the disease yet spread and spread. The Typhoid Mary's out there.

[PaulW]

"some people can be exposed to the infection months before they become ill."

Now becomes (through the wiki link you graciously posted):
"On 8 January, Li contracted the coronavirus when he saw an infected patient at his hospital. He developed a fever and cough on 10 January which soon became severe."

So instead of "months" it was two days. This is why you should be sure about the facts (by providing a source) before posting potentially alarming statements.
From what I have read, this virus takes hold quite quickly, which is a relief from a containment standpoint.

Nevertheless, it is inevitable it will reach these shores soon. I predict within the next 30 days. No need for panic if it does.

[kander]

Touche, but just because there have been no super spreaders identified does not mean they are not out there.

[kander]

Anyone know how many hospital beds we have on the big island?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/healt...ients.html


Feb. 7, 2020
Updated 11:54 p.m. ET

One patient, admitted to a hospital in Wuhan, China, infected at least 10 health care workers and four other patients with the coronavirus that has sickened more than 34,000 people, killed 700 and reached two dozen other countries.

The case was just one disturbing detail in a new report on 138 patients in Wuhan that helps explain how the illness progresses and how it spreads.

The report, one of two published on Friday by JAMA, is among the most comprehensive articles to date about people infected with the newly identified virus.

The patients ranged in age from 22 to 92, with a median of 56 years, and were admitted to Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University from Jan. 1 to Jan 28. Many of them — 41 percent — were presumed to have caught the virus in the hospital, including 17 people who had been admitted for other illnesses, and 40 health care workers.

The patient who infected so many health workers had been placed in a surgical ward because of abdominal symptoms, and the coronavirus was not initially suspected. Four other patients in that ward also contracted the disease, presumably from the first patient.

The incident was a chilling reminder of the “super-spreaders” in outbreaks of other coronavirus diseases, SARS and MERS — patients who infected huge numbers of other people, sometimes dozens. The phenomenon is poorly understood and unpredictable, an epidemiologist’s nightmare. Super-spreaders led to considerable transmission of MERS and SARS inside hospitals.

[ironyak]

kander - Anyone know how many hospital beds we have on the big island?

Rough estimate looks like 450ish in the main hospitals.

Hilo Medical Center - 276
Ka'u Hospital - ~25
Kohala Hospital - 28
Kona Community Hospital - 94
North Hawaii Community Hospital - 33

https://www.ahd.com/states/hospital_HI.html
https://kohala.hhsc.org/
https://www.kauhospital.org/

Wait, are you saying that Hawaii island has an insufficient health care system?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Hawaii island has an insufficient health care system?

450 beds.
And the assumption that our doctors, nurses, and other health care workers can themselves remain ... healthy.

[TomK]

I don't think the number of hospital beds is an issue. Governments are trying to stop the virus from reaching pandemic levels and are doing so by putting possibly infected people into quarantine, not necessarily into a hospital bed.

In addition, we're in the midst of a 'flu season with many more deaths being caused by that and the hospitals here are not filling up. I'm much more concerned that if this particular coronavirus turns into a pandemic then the Hawaii authorities won't be capable of organizing anything in the time needed, but for now, I don't think that's a huge concern.