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Gas tax survey?
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10-12-2020, 02:37 AM
(10-10-2020, 07:37 PM)Obie Wrote: "Why would you do that? " Half? That's amazing. It suggest to me that you don't drive much. Congratulations! Regarding the gas tax applied to small engine use, it seems fairly inconsequential to me so I don't mind paying it. 
10-12-2020, 08:08 AM
“seems fairly inconsequential “
Worst tax of all is the tax unnoticed.
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10-12-2020, 03:07 PM
(10-12-2020, 08:08 AM)eightfingers2.0 Wrote: “seems fairly inconsequential “ They're my favorite. If I used 25 gallons a year for yard equipment (but I don't use that much) the local and state gas tax would add a bit under $10 to my bill. Big deal! I'm very thankful for the opportunity to buy gas at a relatively low cost compared to my ability to afford it. Yes, we could do far better living in Venezuela or Saudi Arabia but there's a also a lot worse. Most of EU is well over $5/gallon. This minor but inappropriate add on would go away under the proposed mileage tax. The non greenies would also appreciate that electric vehicles would pay the same amount per mile as those driving 7 MPG Unimogs.
10-12-2020, 07:02 PM
America was founded on a revolution against "taxation without representation". Paying road taxes on non-road applications is a textbook example which also reflects the prevailing government belief that "someone might game the system" (eg, hauling gas cans to refill your vehicle, thus "evading" the fuel tax).
Road wear is the fourth order of weight. A truly equitable "road usage" charge would be based on weight; this "adjustment" will come later, after we've all acquiesced to the tracking devices. The tracking devices are completely unnecessary on an island, where you can't drive into a different tax jurisdiction. Biggest unanswered question: how much will it cost to create a new tax authority, new data collection mechanism, etc. Existing staff can't be repurposed because there will still be per-gallon gasoline tax (both during the transition and forever after to support non-road uses) and per-gallon diesel tax (forever, because freight trucking isn't part of the road usage program). TL;DR: The Road Usage Charge Is A Scam.
10-12-2020, 08:44 PM
"you can't drive into a different tax jurisdiction"
The different tax jurisdiction would be the private subdivisions. If the county isn't going to remand the collected tax to the governing body of the private roads, it should be remanded to whoever purchased the gas. "Paying road taxes on non-road applications is a textbook example which also reflects the prevailing government belief that "someone might game the system" ". One could say that EV owners are gaming the system, because they cause the same wear and tear on the roads as their evil fossil fuel cousins, yet pay no taxes towards the wear and tear they cause to the roads.
1. EV owners were encouraged to "game the system" with tax breaks and other incentives.
2. EV owners in Hawaii enjoy a "registration surcharge" intended to help offset the loss of fuel taxation. 3. EV owners account for 1% of vehicle registrations in Hawaii. An entirely new road taxation paradigm seems like overkill to address 1% of vehicles. Especially when that 1% doesn't include the heavy vehicles that cause the most road damage. The different tax jurisdiction would be the private subdivisions. If the county isn't going to remand the collected tax to the governing body of the private roads The RUC program is State. I doubt they will be remitting anyone's "share" of the taxes collected. Perhaps someday County will have their own (separate, incompatible) road usage tax system, but none of that money will go to private roads either. County's blanket assertion is "it's in the County therefore under our jurisdiction".
10-13-2020, 04:08 PM
(10-12-2020, 08:51 PM)kalakoa Wrote: An entirely new road taxation paradigm seems like overkill to address 1% of vehicles. Especially when that 1% doesn't include the heavy vehicles that cause the most road damage. The "problem" is declining tax revenues due to people driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Even though electric and hybrid vehicles currently constitute a very small percentage of the highway fleet they do increase that fleet's MPG over time and will continue to do so as their market share is expected to grow. To make the new scheme revenue neutral it is said to assume that the average motorist has a 22 MPG vehicle and drives 15K miles a year. I don't know, that seems like a shite ton of miles for an islander to drive. What the heck, really? Heavy vehicles-Haven't seen them mentioned in the proposal but imagine they would have an additional tax levied on them since they do indeed cause most road damage per miles driven. "Taxation without representation"-That's not the same thing, it's about political representation. I'm 2 miles in on a gravel road and look to be an outlier because I don't feel troubled about not getting a refund on any gas taxes as a result. I got what I paid for, cheap land. Paved roads? No thanks.
10-13-2020, 06:31 PM
My invitation to "participate" included my actual annual mileage based on the difference in odometer readings between safety checks.
The weight of my vehicle is printed on my registration. Why do we need vehicle trackers and a new office and staff to collect this data?
"Why do we need vehicle trackers and a new office and staff to collect this data?"
Because someone at the state level wrote a grant request and got the money to waste on this project because !!! I had a white box hooked up to my internet for awhile too. Ever heard of the white box. Paid for by some federal grant to increase internet speed Hawaiiantel ignored it and my speed stayed slow until the lava came and burned up their lines. |
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