10-28-2024, 04:25 AM (This post was last modified: 10-28-2024, 04:42 AM by Patricia.)
(10-28-2024, 04:00 AM)Obie Wrote: Patricia has been busy disrupting the HPPOA meeting but she just stormed out and will be right here to correct your thinking .
"Aloha Mr. O."
Aloha Patricia, my username is Obie, unless you want to be Ms Pee.
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Mr. O does not sign into HPPOA Zoom meetings. But I could be wrong. So, I will ask those, who did sign into Zoom, if they saw Mr. O's "user name."
Not my job to "correct thinking." It isn't my fault if the inept, illegal, Board Bylaws Committee hasn't a clue what they are doing. It sure as hell is FRUSTRATING, but not my problem that all the "amended bylaw votes" can be challenged as illegal, because they do not follow procedure.
How amazing is it that we have board members who have NO CLUE what RR&O state? Even worse, what about board members who do not even know what their bylaws state?
Such a joke. I would laugh. But it's too sad.
Thank God they are not in charge of putting together the County ballots.
So, with 5 threads plus one deleted thread about all the hoopla surrounding HPP history, illegal boards and committees and incompetence all around leading up to the Owners meeting yesterday and now all there is is the sound of coquis? (oh yes, and rain too!)
(10-29-2024, 07:24 AM)kalianna Wrote: No. We donʻt. If we want to know we can go to the HPPOA site or the HPP Facebook groupsʻ pages.
Define we.
Maybe you don't want to know.
After enduring 5 threads of this absolute immature childish nonsense, I think it's only appropriate that there be a follow up response as to what happened at yesterday's Owner's meeting.
As for Facebook pages, all the OP has done is make PunaWeb a mirror image of her Facebook pages. And just as it is here on PunaWeb, even those Facebook pages are now silent as to the meeting's outcome.
10-29-2024, 07:45 AM (This post was last modified: 10-29-2024, 07:47 AM by TomK.)
(10-29-2024, 07:24 AM)kalianna Wrote: No. We donʻt. If we want to know we can go to the HPPOA site or the HPP Facebook groupsʻ pages.
Oh, great. We can use Facebook, where all our private info is downloaded, and watch videos of HPPOA members sharing what they had for lunch and dinner and how wonderful their pets are while boasting about how many "friends" they have.
Rob, seriously, can you create an HPP sub-forum? It would make this stuff much easier to ignore if you wanted.
10-29-2024, 04:55 PM (This post was last modified: 10-29-2024, 04:58 PM by Patricia.)
Aloha Hilo Julie, I really do not understand the hostility of some and their need to limit info they feel does not pertain to them, because they do not like it. For months we have been bombarded with "political" info from just about every political "expert" and candidate, on the radio, television, internet, text messages, etc. When I get weary of it all, I just mentally turn it off- but I would never suggest to limit, separate, or turn off access to others because of my intolerance. But that's me.
As for the meeting- a total mess. I requested a change in the agenda, and the president allowed some of it, moving community resource after committee reports, where it usually always is. But she would not allow the answer from the Watumull's to be moved up to Special Order of Business, or New Business. Her "reasoning" being that the Watumull's involvement is not "new" and is just more "legal," so it was relegated to go after all the bylaws changes, the "process" of which was a pathetic and unprofessional joke. The format, if you could call it that, presented for the changes was confusing and lengthy. There were section titles missing, subsections missing, making it difficult for the owners including the board, who had put the amendments together, to figure out what was what.
And yes, I did get up numerous times, calling Point of Order and stating that the formatted amendments did not follow procedure, that rescission was not just saying, we rescind and then not being able to SEE or discuss what had been rescinded.
I am not necessarily the world's best public speaker. So, when the board's supporters and lemmings get up and start shoving papers in my face, telling me; that "it doesn't matter," if the bylaws are changed to say "owners must be members," or that all committees will be under the control of the board (currently there are supposed to be 3 member/owner committees) and that the board can raise road fees by whatever amount they want, I tend to get a little flustered.
There is absolutely NO listening or desire from the board supporters and their lemmings to want to learn, follow rules and protocol. When they are called out, they will ask under what grounds- if you state bylaw, they will twist it- add what they "interpret," ignore (Tom's word) what they do not want to know or adhere to. If you point out RR&O they will literally blank face you, because most of them have no clue what is in it. And when you do not back down to their ignorance and bullying and they have run out of "whys" they will try to shut you up by yelling that "We have tried very hard to tolerate you!" The arrogance and ignorance are astounding.
Unfortunately, I did not remember to move the election of the Nominating Committee up. The president had placed it toward the end of the agenda. Intentionally, of course. She wanted to rush through the bylaws and announced that we needed to get to the Nominating Committee, otherwise we could not "have an election." At that, I stood up and flat out told her and everyone else that her statement was a lie. To which she replied, "Well who is going to run the elections? The board?" Personally, I do not see any difference between last year's NC and the board running the elections. The NC is primarily comprised of the president's supporters and lemmings. and they report everything to her. So the president will allow only what she wants, to be done by whom she wants.
The meeting never reached the point of the NC election (they lost quorum)and the board did not even finish with their bogus bylaw amendments, changes which the president SAYS the attorney has advised the board to make. I asked the president and her supporter/lemmings for any kind of documentation, regarding that claim (about attorney changes) because I have an annotated copy of the bylaws which their attorney had handed out to the original bylaws committee (before the board illegally took it over) and the changes Anna (the president's attorney) references are not in line with what the board is shoving down Owners throats. You would think someone would ask about that annotated copy. You would think someone would wonder WHY every time there is some heavy-handed, push move for control the board president is ALWAYS explaining her actions on her "attorney's advice" BUT is never willing to share that advice. The loyalty of the president's supporters and lemmings is frighteningly impressive. Still, I suppose that is what happens when people ignore, and when others make it ,"much easier" for others to ignore. It's harder to do the research for yourself, to learn, to have to weigh actual decisions. It is much easier to have others just tell you because- Robert's Rules is so long, the Bylaws are so boring, words and their double meanings are so confusing. It is "much easier" to just have the president smooth all of that over.
Oh, and I did "storm out" of the meeting, telling them they were inept and should be ashamed at their blatant ignorance and the shoddy piece of bylaw proposals they had put together. After which, I think they soon lost quorum.
10-29-2024, 11:19 PM (This post was last modified: 10-29-2024, 11:21 PM by Patricia.)
Author "ssneed"
Number 1 HRS 414D-81(b) "No person shall be admitted as a member without the person's consent"
Author "ssneed"
"There is no case law testing this, but consider to revising to OPT in upon purchase"
HPPOA CANNOT FORCE OWNERS TO BE MEMBERS AS PER THEIR OWN ATTORNEY
THIS BOGUS BS IS NOT WHAT SNEED "SUGGESTED" ON HER MESSY BYLAW "RECOMMENDATIONS"
In addition, the rest of attorney Sneed's "suggestions" are vague, general, and do not delve into the long, messy deletions, additions, and word changes that the board has submitted to Owners, callinng them, "attorney suggested."
The proposed changes to the bylaws are BOARD amendments- NOT attorney amendments. They are changes the board WANTS. Not changes that are required by law.
(10-29-2024, 07:45 AM)TomK Wrote: Rob, seriously, can you create an HPP sub-forum? It would make this stuff much easier to ignore if you wanted.
Wow, look, one of the moments in which we agree..
I've had relations with several community associations on island in my time, and as much as their shenanigans have meaning to those involved I've rarely seen them mean anything to anyone else.
Of course how Rob arranges PW is according to his sensibilities, and I appreciate it regardless, but I suspect even the HPP folks would rather keep their dirty laundry between themselves than have jerks from far and wide chiming in and mucking it up unnecessarily.
