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10-22-2025, 03:25 AM
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MyManao
>In an earlier post here I laid out why I think putting a harbor at Kaimu is the best plan going forward.
Yes, this sounds like a good idea. The lava at Kalapana is solid rock.
>I think the dredging project stands a chance of ultimately being a success. As it is it opened the bay. It didn’t open a channel all the way back to the ramp, but it did carve a notch out of the otherwise solid block of debris. And, as we have seen, the rest of the pile is very unstable and will move.. is moving.. and maybe the water that is tidally surging in and out of the new bay is going to be transporting more rock out of there over time than it was without this change.
That's interesting you think this project is salvageable. There's a huge amount of debris in this area and the potential for it to keep washing in to any harbor channel built without big concrete walls (not approved under project specs) is high. We'll see whether they keep dredging.
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I think they need to study it for a few more years...
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I think they need to study it for a few more years...
Interestingly, with the new notch (the newly exposed bay) cut into the pile of debris I suspect the ocean may clear out the rest in the next few years without anymore help..
Iʻve been watching the local news sites and there has been nary a peep about this little whoopsie.
Civil Beat posted a article on this little whoopsie* this morning..
https://www.civilbeat.org/2025/10/will-b...ompletely/
* this little whoopsie - perfection.
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I like all the quotes from past comments predicting the failure. Including yours, MyManao! Maybe if we get the study money back we should divide it among the commenters that got it right!
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10-22-2025, 07:26 PM
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From the Civil Beat article:
>Pohoiki was never just a boat ramp. It was the east side’s lifeline — connecting subsistence fishers, charter crews and families whose lives move with the tide.
This section goes on and on without mentioning that Pohoiki was a major surfing and swimming site. Far more people went to Pohoiki for ocean recreation than did they for fishing, though this is not to discount the economic value of Pohoiki as boat ramp for East Hawaii's fishing interests. Interest in restoring Pohoiki was as much for ocean recreation as it was for a new boat ramp.
>A public notice from FEMA last year...warned that Pohoiki lies in a flood zone “subject to future flooding events.”
Flooding from where? Puna has no rivers or streams, and never will have them. The entire Puna district is porous lava; even during heavy rainfall water typically disappears rapidly. Pohoiki's viability relates 100% to ocean actions, and possibly new lava events, not heavy rain and floods from upland washing through Pohoiki into the ocean.
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10-22-2025, 07:36 PM
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MyManao - Interestingly, with the new notch (the newly exposed bay) cut into the pile of debris I suspect the ocean may clear out the rest in the next few years without anymore help..
It could also go the other way - when the channel was open, you could see new sand and rock deposits being made on the back/mauka side of the swimming hole. If the channel stayed open, the material may have just filled in the boat ramp area completely, at least in the short term. Regardless, it seems like it's largely outside our control (or at least exceeds the available budget) - have to wait and see what the real powers that be decide to do in the coming years.
Maybe someone in the meantime could come up with a way to catch fish that is flexible and site appropriate, allowing for such essential activity (if that is what is it) to move on down to one of the several new beaches as conditions require. The tools needed could be sourced from locally available and sustainable materials and use local labor, creating a positive feedback loop where moderate inputs of human effort that don't create long-lasting pollution results in a net increase of caloric energy availability. Sorry, must be lost in a fantasy world that of course could never exist in the past, present, or future tense...
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10-22-2025, 07:49 PM
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catch fish that is flexible and site appropriate, allowing for such essential activity (if that is what is it) to move on down to one of the several new beaches as conditions require. The tools needed could be sourced from locally available and sustainable materials and use local labor,
A movable feast (with fish), a la Hemingway in Paris, when he was newly arrived, strong, poor, living with his neighbors by sheer wits and determination. It could work.
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This looks like a job for Ikaika Marzo.
Certainty will be the death of us.
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From the local rag this morning.
"State admits Pohoiki Boat Ramp dredging effort has failed"
https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/202...as-failed/
It's refreshing to see someone take responsibility for the failure and provide an explanation why it went ahead.
Part of the blame should go to the County because the money was out there to get this done but the original plan was to basically abandon this entire area.
Money for the lost parks and recreation was spent on among other things, the Hilo golf course, bucket trucks to trim coco palms in the Kona area and others to numerous to list.
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10-23-2025, 05:11 PM
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Edge - A movable feast (with fish), a la Hemingway in Paris...
1920's fresh oysters and local wine seems to fit the bill - burning coal dust for warmth, probably not so much (thankfully here we have plenty of free thermal sources both above and below so no need to flee when the seasons change)
kalianna - This looks like a job for Ikaika Marzo.
In terms of running some heavy equipment at Pohoiki (better get his day rate and multiple by 365 for next year's bill ;) or in terms of arranging a moveable feast, maybe by sea or in coordination with a mechanical bull? (is whatever feast planned for there actually moving forward at all?)
Pohoiki probably needs more of a daily community effort. Want to swim? 30 mins of shifting rock and sand per person is the real cost - bit of exercise to loosen up before relaxing in the all natural hot tub. Given the progress demonstrated by just a handful of people, and the hundreds of people there on the weekends, such an approach may actually fit the budget and be sustainable.
Gotta try and keep up though as the new berm keeps a growing:
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