Something to consider?

[ironyak]

Personally I thought the question asked about where the local/national lines are for PW was reasonable to consider, and the Mod's response was sensible. For everyone complaining that PW is too mainland political, too leftard, has people posting too much, etc, I'd reverse uno the suggestion and note that there are thousands of sites to participate in, and as mentioned, it's easier than ever to start your own substack, subreddit, or community message board that you can dictate to be however you want.

PW is whatever Rob and Co. allow it to be - if you're unhappy with how they run things, you can always take it up with them and suggest changes because only they can set and enforce where the local vs mainland lines are drawn, or how much people can post, or if posts need to rated G or PG or whatever. Or as the Mod said, people can just move along as participation is not mandatory.

[TomK]

For the second time now, the Doctor is accusing me of being some former poster named Ken. And that I hate everyone? 

I'm not accusing you of being Ken. I'm simply pointing out the remarkably similar posting style you and "Ken" share.

[Punatang]

Part of not being the problem is being part of the solution, true?  Please consider demonstrating your part in the solution and show genuine care for those in need by removing unhelpful posting from the "Food resources for resilient Punnawebbers" thread.  We can hash that out on the Bicker Board if you wish.

I have a workaround, on standby, to help the moms easily wade through all of the yuck in the resource thread but I wanted to allow everyone enough opportunity to voluntarily show some class on their own and avoid any potential shame. I'm into solutions.  I hope that's not a problem.

[HiloJulie]

So you have a solution, but will only disclose that solution if everyone gives into your demands?

Quid pro quo much? 

Oh, shoots, National Politics.

[Punatang]

It's a request Julie.  I literally begged - for the children.

The solution is to constantly update post #1 with any valuable resources that actual caring posters contribute and informing moms that the rest of the thread is a cesspool with nothing of value unless it is redundant with what is in post #1.  I'd rather not go through all of that and embarrass folks but something has to be done.  If not us, who?  If not now, when?  Please Julie.  Lead the way.


ETA:  I have sweetened the pot with additional quid & quo by removing all references to national politics and trolls from the resources thread.  Be the change you want to see.  Point taken.

[Wao nahele kane]

I stand here, now inspired by the House of Ashur.

One finds the matter most amusing, in truth.

Behold M2 — naught but another Hilo Julie risen from the same foul pit, yet cloaked now not in base and biting words, but in the sly blade of biased moderation, wielded with the cold precision of those who claim dominion over discourse.

Punaweb remains the self-same lair it ever was: a guarded sanctum for the leftward host, wherein the ever-wounded may clash and claw amongst themselves in safety, while any conservative who stumbles through its gates is set upon with righteous fury. From time to time some bold spirited conservative dares to prod these frenzied souls, merely to witness the predictable storm that follows — the shrieking, the flailing, the descent into madness.

A cesspit it is, and they revel in its mire. One can but regard the spectacle with regal mirth, for the farce plays out ever the same.

   

[Obie]

"Another specialty of select PunaWeb posters. Thread derailment. "

The topic of this thread is " Something to consider."

TomK and I both agree and consider you to possibly be a well known troll who went by the name of Ken.

In the meantime several of us have considered allowing you to post mainland news and politics and voiced our opinions !

[Punatang]

Hilo Julie Posted:

...show some class on their own and avoid any potential shame. I'm into solutions.  I hope that's not a problem.
If not us, who?  If not now, when?  Please Julie.  Lead the way. 
Sorry Tangy, I'm too old to lead the way. Besides, I already got my hands full with my 8 elderly neighbors, the occasional drive by drop off of my teenage grandson, generally along with a gaggle of 4 to 6 teenage buddy's along with his 3 year old sister as well as a 4 legged 24 pound sack sheer terror that can only be described as Lucifer in the fur.
But the one thing those 8 elderly neighbors know and feel every day is that feeling of shame, like being somewhat embarrassed when we or other neighbors come to their aid with some extra cooked dinners, extra foods, a weekly invite at our place for dinner, maybe a special dinner at Luquins or some other local restaurant for a birthday or holiday, with them deep down knowing that if we didn't do that, they would go a bit hungry. Also shuffling some back and forth to Hilo or even Honolulu for doctor appointments as well as helping to keep yards and homes maintained, one time replacing a $600.00 water pump and expansion tank for one of those neighbors but telling them it was a $2.00 pressure switch hose from Ace Hardware, only to be reimbursed that $2.00 with 8 quarters. Just because they are too old AND too poor to do it themselves. But despite that, they sure are 100% pure class. Hope that's not a problem for you!
Oh, ironically, you know who else loves to peddle in that aura of "do this or face shame?" Oh, silly me, that would be National Politics. My bad!
I stand here, now inspired by the House of Ashur: 
Why yes, a story about following a scheming villain, risen from the dead, who navigates Roman politics, sex, and violence is so befitting of PunaWeb. Absolutely no National Politics in that concept that's for sure! But I am happy to see you dropped the reference of those on the left as being mentally handicapped, but, I see you're still going with the cesspit reference of PunaWeb and the rest of its posters!
TomK and I both agree and consider you to possibly be a well known troll who went by the name of Ken.
In the meantime several of us have considered allowing you to post mainland news and politics and voiced our opinions ! 
Yeah, "own" that Ken guy I guess? I know we now live in a National Political word of accusing someone of doing something automatically implies guilt, but really? Or, could it be I used up all the free benefits under Obama Care before it was just gutted all to hell, and a sex change operation and became the beautiful woman I am now at taxpayer expense? (OK, I admit, beauty is sometimes in the eye of the beholder, but the sex change operation and Obama Care bit could be a good yarn to spin for sure!)
At any event, I thank you and the Doctor for your consideration in allowing me to post National Politics and your opinions.

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OK, well it's your call to make.  I bet if you take a vote of the 8 elderly Hawaiian neighbors they would vote for the moms and kids though.  Some of them are probably related.  There is still time  - maybe sleep on it.  Tomorrow always brings a fresh perspective.  Aloha

[TomK]

"Another specialty of select PunaWeb posters. Thread derailment. "

The topic of this thread is " Something to consider."

TomK and I both agree and consider you to possibly be a well known troll who went by the name of Ken.

In the meantime several of us have considered allowing you to post mainland news and politics and voiced our opinions !

No, I don't think HiloJulie is "Ken". I think there's a remarkable similarity in their posts, especially the clumsy grammar and claims, but no, HiloJulie is not "Ken". Maybe they went to the same "how to post on social media" school, but that's about it. It's just their style, posting habits, and grammar caught my eye.

[Punatang]

Hilo Julie said:

Let me be abundantly clear here. I think anything and everything we can do to help our impoverished youth and elderly adults and everyone in between that, for whatever reason, don't have it as well off as others is of extreme importance to society. Doing that benefits each and everyone of us. If YOU are committed to doing that, from as they saying goes, cradle to grave, then you deserve a huge compliment, pat on the back and a genuine Thank You.

Now, the being abundantly clear part:

What good does raising and instilling a sense of hope and security in those less fortunate, when as we see today, at a moments notice, on a whim, on a Tuesday or by an Executive Order, (or as I imagine, a bet, similar to the $1.00 bet in the movie Trading Places) or, on the other hand, after months of congressional debate, punctuated by those congressmen and women being threatened to "toe the line" or be faced with career ending "shame" with the result of having that proverbial rug just yanked out from underneath those poor helpless people? Who in desperate need regardless of the how and why, would ever have imagined what did not happen last November 1st?

Coupled with constantly being flooded with the assertion that most, if not all recipients of any and all public assistance are scammers, illegal aliens, already dead or just the spawn of some uncaring mother who needs another kid to make more money?

To be honest, if I was 20 years younger today, I'd put my time and energy into a PAC that would lobby for and get enshrined into absolute law that these public assistance programs be untouchable.

Now, I can already hear the click clack of the keyboards - yes, there is waste, fraud and abuse. But, being brutally honest, I think we could virtually eliminate most of that by putting into place all the necessary and required safeguards to weed out any such waste, fraud and abuse for the cost of a few round trips to play golf from DC to Florida, Bedminster or Scotland, or the costs being incurred in endless frivolous tens of billions of dollars lawsuits against various news outlets as well as the taxpayers for perceived insults.

At any event, if you are truly sincere in your mission, godspeed to you. I truly hope you can be a tremendous help in assisting anyone who needs it. I truly do. I just hope after all that hard work and subsequent reliance given to these kids, moms and elders, YOU don't have to be the one to look those kids, those moms, those elderly in the eye and say "I'm sorry, nothing we can do. It's the law now."

Oh, as for the gang of 8, Barney, my husband and I personally funded, even though they did eventually get, what they should have got last November 1st. No questions asked, no repayment necessary, required or accepted. That would have been way too many quarters to handle anyways. So, I think I got their vote "in my pocket!"

Now, off for yet another round of estrogen shots making a delicious lasagna dinner that can be fully prepared, put into nice Pyrex baking dishes, then frozen and then given to the neighbors tomorrow morning so all they have to do is pop it into their oven later tomorrow afternoon and enjoy!

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Well, it's your option to handle however your compass guides you.  The above really is a microcosm of so much on Punaweb and in the world.  I'm fascinated that the ballot proposal that I envisioned as a "yes" or "no" vote for the moms (which I'm sure any 8 randomly selected Hawaiians would predictably do the right thing)- was perceived by you to be an election about you against the moms.

It is edifying to have you verify the fact that the people whom you think are not the problem, such as yourself, believe the giving of free stuff to your "constituents" entitles you to have "their vote in your pocket!"  That pretty much is the problem - in a nutshell. Something to consider.