(03-01-2026, 04:33 AM)Punatang Wrote: Good Point MyMan! My bad. Here is some of your...
We all go astray, mo betta we self correct that rile the green ones..
And after all, Tom is trying to have a serious discussion about the origins of Pele. No need disrespect the gods.
How can someone disrespect a deity that no one can show exists? What if I say the fairies in my garden are a bunch of psychopaths bent on world domination? Have I shown disrespect? Yes, I want an explanation of how Pele came to be, how anyone can show she exists, and how it doesn't contradict the bible. The last part should be easy.
03-01-2026, 05:20 AM (This post was last modified: 03-01-2026, 05:47 AM by ironyak.)
Punatang - And...Orange ones?
That Orange King Mallard must be the source of Hilo Bay Cafe's tasty Orange Duck Duck Demi-glace. Like your thinking comrade, rich eating!
TomK - I want an explanation
Well, you should probably contact the experts previously listed, as I'm not qualified to even explain the god and goddess org chart. But I've heard that some people tell the story of how the Hawaiian Islands were pulled up from the sea floor by the god Maui's fishhook. Others say the islands were built up over time by geological processes of plate tectonic drift and the eruptive hot spot. Or maybe they just float up, like a duck! As you are so wise in the ways of science, how can you determine which is the truth?
03-01-2026, 05:48 AM (This post was last modified: 03-01-2026, 05:54 AM by MyManao.)
(03-01-2026, 05:01 AM)TomK Wrote: Yes, I want an explanation of how Pele came to be..
Then shut up and do the research. I gave you the path, follow it. And, for god's sake, stop acting like a spoil brat.
Seriously man, you're just making a fool of yourself here. If you want to know, and you're such a big mucky muck scientist you know the answer, learn from those who know, go to UH and talk with the elders who teach the stuff..
But no.. you just what to flap your jaw and act like some bigger than the rest of them asshole. That's all you really want. You could care less about Pele, God, and the rest of it. You just want to be the center of the universe.. it's all about you. And fuck the rest of us.
03-01-2026, 05:49 AM (This post was last modified: 03-01-2026, 05:55 AM by TomK.)
(03-01-2026, 05:20 AM)ironyak Wrote: Punatang - And...Orange ones?
That Orange King Mallard must be the source of Hilo Bay Cafe's tasty Orange Duck Duck Demi-glace. Like your thinking comrade, rich eating!
TomK - I want an explanation
Well, you should probably contact the experts previously listed, as I'm not qualified to even explain the god and goddess org chart. But I've heard that some people tell the story of how the Hawaiian Islands were pulled up from the sea floor by the god Maui's fishhook. Others say the islands were built up over time by geological processes of plate tectonic drift and the eruptive hot spot. Or maybe they just float up, like a duck! As you are so wise in the ways of science, how can you determine which is the truth?
Yes, I can, because one has solid scientific evidence and the other has none. I get the Monty Python refererence but that was just a movie. As for MyManao's command to "Then shut up and do the research. I gave you the path, follow it. And, for god's sake, stop acting like a spoil brat." is the type of answer I expect from someone who makes a claim but can't back it up, so resorts to insults instead.
03-01-2026, 05:55 AM (This post was last modified: 03-01-2026, 05:57 AM by MyManao.)
(03-01-2026, 05:52 AM)ironyak Wrote: All of the stories have the same evidence - the existence of the islands themselves. How can you know how they were made?
He's an idiot. He knows nothing.
But hey.. let's watch him dig that hole..
(02-28-2026, 04:51 PM)MyManao Wrote:
(02-28-2026, 05:50 AM)TomK Wrote: In this case, I want answers.
As with any historical “data” ours is limited by our own evolution in record keeping. But where white men have a spotty few thousands of years before the “facts” become obscure by inefficient methods of keeping them, for many people of the Earth the written word is but a new means of remembering the past.
For instance, in Hawaii, there were no such records pre-contact, and all we "know," in the white man’s sense of the word, before that fateful day when James Cook sailed his ships over the horizon into these waters is in verse verbally passed from one to another through generations. As such, as in all facets of scientific enquiry into our origins, we are left putting together pieces, interpreting myths.
Even the life of Jesus, who is so central to many, is but a collection of stories that to this day scholars wrestle with to try and tease out the bare bones, the facts from the embellishments. As is the history of mankind everywhere. And here, again in Hawaii, with contact only being 250 years old, and the Hawaiians oral history embellished in a telling by minds so different than the white listeners, even those are hard to comprehend by many. And yet, for the true scholar, that is the task.
For anyone who asks what is the origin of the Hawaiian’s creation, of the way they have ordered their thoughts and ideas, the record of the events that serve as the story of their beginning, which in essence is your question, the Kumulipo is where everyone must begin to unravel the answer for themselves. And, I would suggest if your question is sincere you begin by reading, and discussing the words as you find them recorded online at Kamehameha Schools website here
If you find having a real in hand copy more preferable, and patronizing Basically Books (where you can order it online here if you no like just drop by) is always a good thing.
And, of course, as you read the Hawaiian's creation chant you may have questions, though I'd recommend, if you really are serious in your quest for knowledge, you address them to a Hawaiian scholar, maybe one at the UH Hilo Department of Hawaiian Studies rather than to anyone here.
