The Bicker Board

[randomq]

MyManao, I don't know what your beef is with women, but please stop posting misogynist and personal attacks.

HiloJulie, your unwillingness to mea culpa on Starlink sure has led to a lot of verbal contortion. Would have saved a lot of time and agony to just admit you weren't willing to vote with your wallet on that one.

ironyak, at first I thought your ribbing of HiloJulie over her Starlink purchase was in good fun (and accurate) but it's gone on so long now it's kind of overly aggressive. I'm not sure lambasting those with weaker convictions will convince them to change.

webmaster, I hope you're not charging Rob by the hour, because this is kind of ridiculous.

[HiloJulie]

You won me over randomq. I admit, I bought Starlink. I don't know what more to say, nor do I see how that makes me support an oligarch pedophile, as I am more concerned with and my true convictions lie with the thousands of average John and Jane Smith's who make Starlink work, but, if it does, then I am guilty as charged. Like the first American who bought a Toyota Corona in 1965.

Oh, and randomq, I guess with both of us living in the Acres, we "ghetto" living "trailer park" trash got to stick together!

As for the misogyny and all that, well, it just shows one's true intellect.

[kalianna]

I havenʻt commented on the many accusations re My Manaʻoʻs mysogeny claims because Iʻve just laughed them off. From the dog collar to black chicks to bimbo (best one yet), Iʻve gotten a good belly laugh out of all of them. Not bias against women, just poking a stick at a lapdog that never gets tired of barking.

[HiloJulie]

I havenʻt commented on the many accusations re My Manaʻoʻs mysogeny claims because Iʻve just laughed them off.  From the dog collar to black chicks to bimbo (best one yet), Iʻve gotten a good belly laugh out of all of them. Not bias against women, just poking a stick at a lapdog that never gets tired of barking.

Quoted for preservation, while pointing out that any woman who would willingly think that a man denigrating another woman, for any reason whatsoever, is something to have a "belly laugh" over, really has no convictions whatsoever herself and, is in all respects, nothing more than a sadist. Are you also laughing at those women who are in that Jewish guy's file as victims too? Or when some orange guy calls a female reporter "piggy?"

Unfortunately, there are some women, who in some cases, more or less believe that because of what they said or did, they deserve it. And even some, worse treatment. And even some who are afraid to do anything about it. Ask me about my 20 plus years of volunteering and financially supporting at a battered woman's halfway house in Long Beach, CA anytime you would like.

And while there is the type of men who think a woman's role in life in to make babies and sandwiches, and keep her mouth shut, I am not one of them. And if another woman desires to call me a "lapdog that never gets tired of barking" and have a belly laugh at a man denigrating me with misogynistic terms, and while that shows me that she is a woman with zero convictions, no matter what, I would go to my deathbed defending her and would NEVER sit back and allow any man to denigrate her in anyway whatsoever.

And to put this into the real context at to what it is, look at the sheer hellfire that was raised by two posters when I once called one of them a "schmuck."

[MyManao]

and while that shows me that she is a woman with zero convictions..

Not to put too fine a point on it but.. actually it shows that she's an intelligent person with a sense of humor. Something you might try and emulate..
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[Moderator 2]

OK you two.
We get it.  We got it.  Over and over and over…
At this point you should recognize nothing is going to change, so move on.
If you receive some sadistic and/or masochistic enjoyment out of your beef with each other please exchange email addresses and engage directly and privately in the future.

[HiloJulie]

Message received Moderator 2. I would think it would be much more effective to moderate such comments that are purely misogynistic and insulting in nature, as well as being nothing more than a cheap personal attack, but I understand your point and position.

[ironyak]

kalianna - Iʻve gotten a good belly laugh out of all of them.
Hi kalianna! (that is all :)

HiloJulie - Your attachment (see attached) shows 6 posts. The "portal page" counts posts made in the preceding 24 hours. I would think such an highly educated computer coding expert would know that. Further, I just highlighted the line from the portal page, hit copy and then pasted it directly into my post.
Yes, but it shows only 5 posts from yesterday, unlike what you parroted. I'm well aware of how myBB does that post count, but it's one of those situations where the words mean something different, and you might want to actually do some fact-checking instead of just repeating what your screen says, especially if you're trying to use the info to troll.

As for everything else, feel free to DM me if you actually want to have a conversation and not just flee from the stated facts into your self-serving fictions.

randomq - ironyak, at first I thought your ribbing of HiloJulie over her Starlink purchase was in good fun (and accurate) but it's gone on so long now it's kind of overly aggressive.  I'm not sure lambasting those with weaker convictions will convince them to change.
Hey randomq - I do appreciate the feedback - always interesting to get an additional perspective. As Julie has shown she doesn't want to actually have a conversation, the dialog has probably reached its end anyways.

FWIW, I try to be flexible in regards to communication styles, and am happy to exchange one liners, haikus, animated gifs, point-by-point rebuttals, or three paragraph essays with references as needed, will even tie an onion to my belt, whatever is the Punaweb style at the time. So with Julie that means verbosity to try to communicate with that particular audience, even if others may find it excessive.

I do have to ask though, if you believe "lambasting those with weaker convictions will" not "convince them to change", any thoughts on what might? As I don't have direct access to their mind and can't download directly into their neurons an understanding of prosocial, solar punk, Team Human anarchism, what other option is there besides conversation, even if it sometimes can be somewhat contentious? Seriously interested in your ideas on the matter - cheers!

[HiloJulie]

I find this works the best:

   

ETA: 
Yak: ...what other option is there besides conversation, even if it sometimes can be somewhat contentious? 
I would think there are numerous options available to have even the most contentious conversations without the need to insinuate or call someone a drunk or a being stoned or a bimbo, or a dog, or a chick, or, if the shoe was on the other foot, calling someone impotent, or a milquetoast, or a wimp, or yes, even I am guilty of doing, a schmuck.

And then have that contentious conversation on the merits of the conversation in and of itself. 

I would think a cordial agreement to disagree would be a much more mature and intellectual way to end a contentious conversation if either side won't/can't budge off their position.

When those insult tactics get deployed, there no longer is any conversation being had. It becomes nothing more than a tit for tat offensive/defensive back and forth

In a lot more times than not, I am the one who is constantly put into the defensive position. For me, it's just been a hard transition from being able to bill hundreds of dollars an hour to argue, more or less because the other side just wants to argue. So, I apologize to all of PunaWeb for any and all past indiscretions continuing any discussion when it turns to mindless insults, even if one thinks that saying those insulting terms is due to one's naturally born into culture(s), or the culture(s) of others inappropriately appropriated.

[MyManao]

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please don't confuse human decency with a call for censorship..

Ah, but by whose interpretation of decency, and for that matter censorship?

And do keep in mind by the wisdom invested in them the high court has already emphatically declared that some lies are indeed constitutionally protected, not just when they are said without “actual malice,” but even if the speaker knows the statements are false. So, you gotta grok, one cultures use of a term to describe a condition may be wholly normal, while another's may consider that same term derogatory.. all without dipping below even a nincompoop's definition of a lie. And, as such, clutching pearls and crying foul just don't pass the smell test in a society where speech is protected far more than one's feigned 'sensibilities.'
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