Vaccinated People Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says

[Wao nahele kane]

Tomk,
The article doesn't contradict my argument as I had no argument, I simply cited the way things are. The article contradicts what is known today and confirms my point.
In today's reality of October 2021, the existing reality is that the vaccine loses efficacy after 6 months but it was wrongfully predicted back in June to be potentially long lasting.

Now, I'm finished discussing this matter and will not be roped into one of your nonsensically contrived exchanges.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2114583

And since your understanding appears to have limits, I'll also include this simple to understand mainstream media article that sums up the above study in the NEJM.

https://www.israel21c.org/israeli-study-...-6-months/

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I'd like to point out that the world is undergoing a live trial at this point in time.

one should be neutral            

            

If I understand your argument correctly, we should have no opinion one way or the other until all/some/more of the facts are in?

That may be good advice if time were not of the essence, but often timing is everything.  And critical, for instance Hitler & WWII.  In other cases it's how humanity moves forward despite certain dangers:

* Lewis & Clark (and everyone else) traveling into uncharted territory

* Breaking the sound barrier

* Launching a person into space        

       

Are there dangers in moving forward with the vaccine?  Yes.  Were there dangers in doing nothing? Yes.  Does someone pick a point somewhere along the developmental timeline when to proceed with distribution in the general population? Yes.  Do people argue incessantly about whether that point is too early or too late?  Yer darn tootin'.

[AaronM]

The 'sky is falling' ethos so doggedly embraced here on PW would make a lot more sense if the death rate from covid was 2% instead of 0.2%

There is simply no argument for the "time is of the essence" panic. One million deaths from covid is just not a large number.

I've found that the people complaining the loudest about natural selection are the ones who are on the losing end of the paradigm.

[Wao nahele kane]

TomK,
And before you cry foul because I didn't provide a link to my statements regarding OAS, I'll provide one of the many early scientific articles that brought this possibility forward. Now, since the vaccine is definitely NOW known to not have good longevity, the possiblity remains that the vaccine might trigger covid19 based OAS within its recipients and boosters might not even work, going forward, or they may work but without them a vaccine based OAS might place vaccine recipients at higher risk for covid19 complications without boosters. We don't know, yet. We may be getting some data within the next month or so that will indicate one way or another what the potential is leaning towards.
OAS is a negative form of repertoire freeze.

In would encourage anyone to research the topic of repertoire freeze and it's forms and not rely simply on the following article.

Page 32 for natural occurance of OAS and page 33 for vaccine induced OAC can be found within the following link.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7566192/

[randomq]

One million deaths from covid is just not a large number.

More deaths in 1.5 years than all US war casualties in the past 150 years combined is "not a large number"? Please, have some empathy!

[kalakoa]

Take the long view.

There will be another pandemic, and it's pretty clear that we're not prepared.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

There will be another pandemic, and it's pretty clear that we're not prepared.

At least we'll know we only need 1/2 the doses of vaccine we thought we needed this time.

[JayLHpp]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28754494/

Lancet, national library of medicine, fairly credible right?

Why do “vaccinated” spread covid? Informed people know. Read the above paper on why this “vaccine” doesn’t work. Find a paper that fixed the above issue with needle administration. There isn’t one.

They knew years ago about this issue. They laughed at trump and operation warp speed. Doctors were paraded in the media saying a vaccine could never safely and effectively be created in such a short time……

When you give a vaccine, you are required to administer it a certain way. Aspirate. Vaccines are not meant to enter the bloodstream. You aspire, or pull back on needle to see if you get blood. If blood is drawn, you pull out and try again. This is not being done. Why? Was it done on your arm? Nope!

https://www.bulksyringes.com/how-to-aspi...-properly/

It can’t even be administered properly. Please read more on proper injection techniques.

Please inform yourselves on vaccines and the medical/scientific definition of a vaccine. It seems people are confusing real vaccines that work in PREVENTING illness with the current jab that is dividing this country.

Have you had a booster for any of the vaccines we received as children? No
Were previous vaccines deployed during a pandemic and used the same as this jab? No

With numbers dropping across the country this month and vaccinated rates almost unchanged from months ago when a “surge” was happening, what would the reasoning be behind this drop? This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated, and they are responsible for the surge and continued spread….

Tell that to Israel and other countries who are reporting 70% of new infections being fully vaccinated individuals.

Hospitals filling up? Shortages on staff? Go watch local news from different states and cities. Why no field hospitals like last year to help these horrible conditions? Why have thousands of staff quit across the country? It’s called mandates.

What happened to the two 1000 bed medical ships, fully staffed and equipped to deal with situations like this? Why not set up field hospitals specifically for unvaccinated if they pose such a great threat?

Follow the science and listen to medicine, not tv or YouTube.

It is also very well know in science and medicine on how resistance and variants are established and created. Agriculture as well. You don’t throw roadblocks at Mother Nature. She will win, adapt, morph, survive. You either stop/rest the threat and deploy effective preventive measures while the threat is at rest or lose.

This jab is no more than a glass roadblock in front of a train. Good luck with that and your quarterly booster shot that will be administered improperly.

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https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-...into-veins

Thankfully more information like this will start to trickle out. Might be hard to find but it’s there.

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https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/nasal-va...n-in-mice/

This article backs up the pubmed paper on administering the vaccine through non needle devices.

There are no papers or research solving why needles are not effective yet that’s how they give them. 

Maybe think before wanting to shame and lock out of society some of those who wish to wait for more effective and science/medicine backed ways of doing things.

[randomq]

JayLHpp, please defecate in private, and not on our forum.

[MarkP]

I find the calls for laymen such as the Punaweb crowd (including myself) to "do research" about the efficacy of vaccines and the nuances of their administration laughable.