Kilauea Eruption 12/23/24

[TomK]

As to the ‘noise’ the waves make.. when I was remodeling the basement of the CFHT, and keep in mind this is a long time ago, Gus’ brother still worked at HVO so there might have been some technical help from that quarter, but regardless, I was shown studies of seismic events being recorded.. some were predictable.. vibration of a pump or some such machinery elsewhere in the building, and then some were random and eventually it was figured out that a good bunch of the random vibrations came and went with the wave sets that broke against the islands. Back then the effort was to isolate the inner pad of the foundation that the scope sits on from vibrations coming from and through the outer ring that the dome and the rest of the facility’s infrastructure sits on. But the resolution, the amplitude, of the ‘noise’ they were trying to identify and stop was at the same level as the noise from the coastline.

Of course, there's no record of this, and the USGS seismometer at the summit also shows no recordings of ocean waves. I will check this with the CFHT staff. But I just have one quick question: How did they measure the noise from the ocean? You just said it was noise, so how was it determined that it came from the ocean? The other question is equally apparent. What correlation exists between the episodic eruptions and diurnal temperatures?

[TomK]

PS. What's with this crap?

"But hey, don't worry your little head about it. Obviously all this is outside your wheelhouse. Beyond the scope of your comprehension. And still, no matter, all’s to the good."

I'm asking questions you would have to answer if you presented your work to others. The answers to the questions should not include insulting the audience.

[MyManao]

I'm asking questions you would have to answer if you presented your work to others..

You're asking questions that suggest you have no idea what you are talking about. My work? Dude, I asked a question. I didn't do any work, have nothing to show. Never said I did. All I am doing is playing around with an idea.. a simple one. Hydraulics, open system verses closed. Simple. But we never got that far.. because you can not comprehend the meaning of the things you read.

And to think you call yourself a scientist.. and expect others to believe you.

[ironyak]

Just a quick outside observation on the back and forth - in addition to Rob's warning that fellow Punaweb posters may be drunk or high (or both) much of the time, it seems increasingly clear that other cognitive impairments/decline may be at play. This isn't meant to be a knock, but an observation from over the years that some posters aren't as sharp as they once were, and even when things are said over and over and over again the details seem not to be read, understood, or retained, but admitting so seems too difficult for some. Personally, just not sure anymore what's to be gained by trying to repeatedly shout evidence at the intellectually hard of hearing.

Oh well and anyhow, just something to consider. Now back to the regular scheduled programming -
"Then the volcano erupted
And the lava flowed down from the mountain high above
...
And there's really nothing anyone can say"

[kalianna]

Another thing to be considered is that some posters will question and try to discredit other posters no matter what they say, due to long-held grudges.

[TomK]

This is like talking to alien visitation or flat-earth conspiracy believers. I asked Kalianna about what's clear in MyManao's posts. No answer. I asked MyManao about the correlation between diurnal temperatures and Kilauea eruptions, which is a claim he appears to be making. No answer other than it's noise. And now it's distraction time.

I'm asking questions as a scientist and as a layperson, hoping we'll get simple answers that everyone will understand. Then, the excuses and insults start flying.

[TomK]

I looked a little further to see what research had been done on diurnal temperatures and volcanic eruptions. I didn't find very much, but I did find this classic abstract from a smart-arse PI.

"Atmospheric surface pressure provides valuable information on the vertical dynamical structure of the atmosphere. Previous studies have reported that among the waves observed in surface pressure, semidiurnal tides (SDTs) are significantly affected by the stratospheric Quasi-Biennial Oscillation (QBO). Using historical surface-pressure observations and the Earth-system model MRI-ESM2.0, this study confirms that SDTs and the QBO are synchronized, such that SDT amplitude increases or decreases, respectively, at a rate of ∼1 Pa per 20 ms‑1 during westerly or easterly phases of the QBO at 30 hPa. Our numerical simulations and a linear analytical model support the QBO-SDT relationship being dynamically forced by background zonal winds rather than by anomalous ozone radiative heating. We also find that the QBO-SDT relationship was notably disturbed by the volcanic eruptions of Mount Agung in 1963 and Mount Pinatubo in 1991, during which increased shortwave radiative absorption caused by stratospheric aerosol enhanced the SDT amplitude. Short-lived El Nino events also occurred, moistening the upper troposphere to provide extra solar heating when volcanic aerosol was transported to higher latitudes. The influence of volcanic eruptions and El Nino events overlap with the QBO frequency band, jointly working as "noise" in QBO-SDT synchronization."

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2025JG...H/abstract

What are your thoughts, MyManao and Kalianna?

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PS. I asked some old-timers who still work at the observatories (the term includes me) about ocean waves being detected by the observatories at that time, and none of them had any recollection of such a claim.

[Durian Fiend]

This is like talking to alien visitation or flat-earth conspiracy believers. I asked Kalianna about what's clear in MyManao's posts. No answer. I asked MyManao about the correlation between diurnal temperatures and Kilauea eruptions, which is a claim he appears to be making. No answer other than it's noise. And now it's distraction time.

I'm asking questions as a scientist and as a layperson, hoping we'll get simple answers that everyone will understand. Then, the excuses and insults start flying.

Sounds to me like he's pointing out diurnal temperature noise, but I don't understand either.       

 And BTW, I'm not drunk, high or otherwise cognitively compromised.

[TomK]

I can't tell for sure since the posts are very wordy, but I believe MyManao hints that temperature differences between night and day affect magma flow. However, their effect on the surface is a tiny blip on the inflation/deflation plots, yet there doesn't seem to be any correlation or feasible mechanism for this to occur.

[ironyak]

kalianna - Another thing to be considered is that some posters will question and try to discredit other posters no matter what they say, due to long-held grudges.
Oh agreed that there is animus behind some of questioning, but having seen a lot of this back and forth over the years, there actually used to be a bit of somewhat witty repartee involved. This total missing of the obvious basics shown in the graphs and repeated multiple times in the text appears to be something... else.

Durien Fiend - Sounds to me like he's pointing out diurnal temperature noise, but I don't understand either. And BTW, I'm not drunk, high or otherwise cognitively compromised.
Sounds just like what someone cognitively compromised would say. ;)

My guess is that MyManao would be willing to breakdown his musings about the volcano a bit more for those engaged in good faith and interested in the topic. But maybe he's asking for a rope and pen that will write and never did plan anyway to go to Black Diamond Bay? Have to wait and see I guess.