Crash at Bottom of Makuu in HPP

[TomK]

I'm attaching Patrica's original image. If they are tire marks, why are there three of them? The simple and self-evident answer is they are not tyre marks but shadows from the utility cables and the occasional utility post. And why does the shadow on the left-hand side not correspond to the one on the right? Everyone who drives these roads knows that the heavy Hawaiian Electric lines droop more than the others and cast shadows on the road. If tires caused these, you have three different tracks, and two change distance from each other. How does that work?

   

[Durian Fiend]

I'm attaching Patrica's original image. If they are tire marks, why are there three of them? The simple and self-evident answer is they are not tyre marks but shadows from the utility cables and the occasional utility post. And why does the shadow on the left-hand side not correspond to the one on the right? Everyone who drives these roads knows that the heavy Hawaiian Electric lines droop more than the others and cast shadows on the road.  If tires caused these, you have three different tracks, and two change distance from each other. How does that work?

There are definitely shadows in that photo, but no one is considering those.  Well, I was initially because nothing else in the image resembles skids to me.  

What we've been arguing about are the faint marks seen running perpendicular to the shadows and bracketed within the orange markings.

[Patricia]

Tom K, why would shadows be marked with orange paint? Still, we already discussed this and agreed that the marks are more likely the result of the car being pulled back from the wall.

Some of you are just going to argue to argue. It doesn't so much matter to you that a person died and that it is possible that if everything that could have been done had been done at that intersection, the situation might have ended up differently. Some of you are just going to snark, blow the death off to "stupid, nothing to do with the driving conditions" and are not going to once consider that perhaps it is neither smart or right to cut corners and spend money that is meant for roads only on "so much more." There is no reasoning with some of you. You want what you want and to hell with everything else.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

neither smart or right to cut corners and spend money that is meant for roads

Earlier you posted a link to recommendations for marking intersections.  It started with slow speed residential roads and step by step added additional options all the way up to high speed highway intersections.

Maku’u & Ala Heiau is a slow speed residential road with minimal traffic.  It is currently marked with all of the recommendations for that type of road.  As is Paradise Drive & Ala Kai.  Saddle Road (your comparison) is marked for a high speed three or four lane highway with heavy traffic.  Additionally it has a steep incline so they’ve added signage and crash barrel pull outs. 

I probably shouldn’t have even mentioned that as now you’ll want the rock wall moved 30 feet closer to the ocean and a layer of 10 or 15 crash barrels piled up in the poor homeowner’s yard at the end of Maku’u, who is the unmentioned innocent victim in this ongoing parade of bad drivers.

[Patricia]

HOTPE stated: It is currently marked with all of the recommendations for that type of road.

Actually, no the road is not "marked with all of the recommendations" as there are references made to the size of signs, reflectivity, etc., that should be taken into consideration, depending on the intersection, number of accidents, etc. 

Also? The double arrowed sign that is NOW at the intersection was NOT at the intersection at the time of the other night's accident. And the sign they did install AFTER the accident? It is smaller, does not have the reflectives, and is obviously CHEAPER than the one that had been there previously (and who knows, maybe the one that was there actually saved the young girl's life who ran into it).

As for my neighbor, he has been very vocal for years- even before my family and I moved here- trying to get HPPOA to address the intersection problem and to have HPPOA install traffic calming devices. So, if anyone is making him the "innocent victim" then HPPOA should sure as hell step up and take some accountability. But as I said, they won't. Just like some of you. You want what you want, right or wrong. So, anytime something does happen that causes loss (monetary, time, life) you will blow it off, make fun, deflect, and ALWAYS blame those "inconveniences" on someone or something else.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

, no the road is not "marked with all of the recommendations" as there are references made to the size of signs, reflectivity, etc., that s

The wall and front of the wall had 3 good sized red marker/reflectors & many smaller yellow reflectors. If they are not there now, perhaps people crashing into them caused them to fall off. Or were run over like all the white reflectors on posts at the top of Paradise Dr & Shower Dr. You can install all the safety devices invented by mankind, but some drivers are bound to find them. Even without looking. Especially without looking.

HPPOA install traffic calming devices.

What would that entail?

[Punatang]

HPPOA install traffic calming devices.

What would that entail? - Edge


Well, as an official candidate wannabee, may I make a suggestion?  Hire this guy to man a booth down there and A-B-C  (always be calming)TM*

[Patricia]

Yep, it's all just one big joke to some of you. Which is why you deflect and ignore.

Billy Barty was hilarious in Foul Play. So yeah, I can enjoy great comedy and a good laugh. But the crash at the end of Makuu is neither of those.

[MyManao]

Which is why you deflect and ignore.

Years ago.. had to be early ‘90s, I was toolin' down #130 heading Keaau side and somewhere along about Makuu a truck in front of me that was pulling a trailer slammed on the breaks, the trailer jackknifed, and a little kid, maybe 6 years, was thrown from the trailer and right there out my window as his mother held him, he died. I’ll never forget that kid. In fact in the moment I promised him I would not. 

Ian was the kid’s name. There were jars at cash registers in Pahoa.. chip in to help Ian’s mom kine. I met the mom.. coincidentally later.. 

Whatever the story we all have a life.. mine almost ended in 2010. Every day since is because of the miracles of modern medicine. 

We all are trying.. some take it seriously, and others are flagrant WTF kine.. what ya gonna do?

Drive safely?

Remember the fallen? Befriend the survivors. And yeah put up a sign if it will help..

[Patricia]

My Manao: Remember the fallen? Befriend the survivors. And yeah put up a sign if it will help..

Mahalo