Earth Day 2025

[ironyak]

Apparently I missed some amendments to the post, but as to the goats, which I can attest to being Punatics, especially whenever they get loose, are used for brush cutting (including, despite my stern admonitions, any recently planted new fruit trees and bushes), grass cutting, and fertilizer production.

Feel free to message me your sources Tang - I can message you mine showing how study after study have shown the wisdom of Bart Simpson - don't have a cow, man!

[Moderator 2]

Ironyak posted a link to an article in a mainland extreme left rag written by fake meat evangelists which pokes holes in the ideas of the movie.  The article evidently passes the M2 test of Puna relevance.

I posted proof that the authors of his article are ultra processed foods evangelists and vegan, who of course don't like the idea that cows can actually be good.

Ironyak’s post was mostly about Hawaii, Punatang’s was 0% Hawaii.
I don’t read every link, or watch every video posted, there’s only so many hours in a day.  Some get caught, some don’t.
If a poster uses “invisible ink” it also makes me question motives (or who knows what) that s/he are attempting to hide.

Keep it local

[Punatang]

Ironyak posted a link to an article in a mainland extreme left rag written by fake meat evangelists which pokes holes in the ideas of the movie.  The article evidently passes the M2 test of Puna relevance.

I posted proof that the authors of his article are ultra processed foods evangelists and vegan, who of course don't like the idea that cows can actually be good.

Ironyak’s post was mostly about Hawaii, Punatang’s was 0% Hawaii.
I don’t read every link, or watch every video posted, there’s only so many hours in a day.  Some get caught, some don’t.
If a poster uses “invisible ink” it also makes me question motives (or who knows what) that s/he are attempting to hide.

Keep it local

The invisible ink is a Punaweb bug - not my intent. I copied and pasted numerous items of proof from numerous sources that Iron Yak's heroes are wackos and that weird shadow just happened.  Ask IT.

My post was 100% Hawaii in that it was 100% relevant to the conversation about regenerative agriculture featuring cows.

[Moderator 2]

My post was 100% Hawaii in that it was 100% relevant to the conversation about regenerative agriculture featuring cows.

Nothing in your comment or quote said Hawaii.  “Relevant to the conversation” is not the criteria, it’s Puna or Hawaii related to the conversation. Otherwise almost everything goes and we’re off the farm.

[knieft]

Not Puna/Hawaii Related

Please help me navigate the seemingly arbitrary application of the rules.

I posted about a movie with two major Hawaii stars in it about agriculture which is sort of a thing in Puna.



Please help me be a better Punawebber going forward.

It’s really quite simple. Some people are more equal than others in Hawaii, in Puna, on PunaTalk, and on Earth Day. (See what I did there?)

Thus, your posts are seen, by the more equal folks, as hypercritical. So “where their only hope is to treat anyone unlike themselves with hostility and distain” your posts get treated with hostility and disdain regularly. It’s just an extension of the irony of some people being more equal than others. You aren’t more equal, and that might be a a point in your favor!

Good luck navigating, and you have been about as polite as possible in responding to those you treat you with a priori hostility and disdain. I think you are a fine and dandy PunaWebber, just not more equal.  I suspect there are a couple/few other Punawebbers, like myself, who have restricted themselves to mostly information threads and avoided posting in the threads dominated by ideological attackers, who might think so as well.

In any case, those who call you immature and naive, who question your intelligence and empathy at nearly every turn, and are just generally mean in response to anyone falling outside the hardened boundaries of their seamless ideological Truth, are not the totality of PunaWebbers. They are the most visible these days since I suspect fewer people bother calling them out on their hypercritical posts, following the moderators’ lead. They have a pass, you don’t. It’s just the price of admission, as Dan Savage likes to say in another context…

Who knows? (They do!)

Cheers,
Kirt

[Obie]

Yeah, I agree. I guess I will just keep my head down for the next 4 years and just stick to trying to be helpful to anyone who needs it.

I'm trying to decide though about notifying the proper authorities about one poster on here who mentioned he would support a go fund me campaign to assassinate the President,suggests Republicans shouldn't be allowed to vote and older Americans aren't fit to serve in public office.

[Moderator 2]

I suspect fewer people bother calling them out on their hypercritical posts, following the moderators’ lead. They have a pass, you don’t.

Thanks for your observation knieft.

I looked over the number of incidents on our logs:
Edits
Reports
Deletions
Bans

If I total them up, Punatang is probably 4th in the recent past.

The top three get far less of a pass than Punatang. Quite a bit less.

[Moderator 2]

notifying the proper authorities 

Thanks Obie.
One was quickly deleted after it was posted, I edited the other.
Can’t be everywhere all the time.

[MyManao]

older Americans aren't fit to serve in public office.

From.. https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu...age-limits

There is a mandatory retirement age for the top officers in the U.S. military, why isn’t there one for the commander in chief? 

It's a question, it's valid, I'm sorry if you and Tom see things that aren't there.. 

To me the notion that the sunset years might be better used watching sunsets than setting policies for generations you're not accountable to (because by the time your policies take hold you're gonna be dead) isn't real.. doesn't work for me. Those that have to live or die and whatever by their actions should be the ones in a position to make them. 

And yeah, everyone thinks they are sharp as a tack long after they actually are.

And I ain't saying if you're so old so long.. just get out of the decision making part of government. If someone wants you to be the CEO or whatever shoots have at it.. if you want to invent the next latest and greatest dude, go for it. It ain't our affair. But government is and our allowing old folks to cling to its reigns is not helping us get on with the business at hand. In fact, methinks it's screwing it all up.

[ironyak]

Having not seen the amended post before it was moderated, I'm not sure how far off the plantation/farm it went, but having been in Mod2's shoes for other sites, it can be a real challenge figuring out how best to handle some contributors who often like to game the system and bend the rules, such as sneaking mainland politics and conspiracies in their signature line, posting "hidden text", misquoting people, claiming people said things they never said, not answering questions, and generally not acting in good faith in a variety of ways. I don't envy Mod2's obligations, but I can sympathize with them.

In this case, it seems less like "some animals are more equal than others" and more a need to remember and obey the old major "seven commandments" - keep it local, local, local, etc... As for "a priori hostility", it's more a case of you get what you give - if you choose to attack people and say they don't know what they're talking about (all while demonstrating a complete lack of basic understanding of the topic) then you're not in much of a place to demand to be treated with kid gloves. Empathy and tolerance are not moral goods, they're a social contract - if you don't give a fuck about others and their well-being then no one is obligated to give a fuck about you and yours. (see the paradox of tolerance - Popper (1945) or the Golden Rule, depending on which text is best understood)

For Obie, Section 230 says you're also barking up the wrong tree, but that's only if one actually cares about upholding the rules of law that protect basic freedoms and not just trying to exert power to quell speech you dislike. You really want the authorities to be reviewing Punaweb for wrong-think?

Sorry Mod2, not trying to make your task harder, just trying to provide some perspective for the free speech warriors who demand to their speech to go unchallenged and others to be silenced. Thanks for doing the hard work - feel free to nuke if needed.