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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilaniguy - 02-18-2017
We can only hope that science and knowledge will win over superstition and primitive religion.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 02-18-2017
PaulW - "If you read the article and not just the headline then you'll see he said there are no sacred rocks in Christianity."
Not at all, and here's the proof:
https://youtu.be/in3KKja8iA8
Eric1600 - "On the plus side the case is on target to finish this month. We should know soon what is in store for the TMT."
I wouldn't count on it. It took another judge a year to reach a decision after the original hearing ended, and now it seems there may have to be another one. That's not taking into account any legal appeals.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Aaron S - 02-18-2017
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2017/02/18/video-tmt-case-gregory-johnson-on-mauna-kea-ahu/
Whereas the ahu did not exist on the TMT proposed site at the time of the original application, they do now, and in a traditional manner that should trigger full consultation and potential protection. Their presence-and possible absence-is undeniably significant by any reasonable measure, especially when understood within the framework of world religions. Beyond the ahu, I would extend my point to be inclusive of religious action on Mauna Kea in general over the past several years.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Aaron S - 02-18-2017
quote:
Originally posted by TomK
I wouldn't count on it. It took another judge a year to reach a decision after the original hearing ended, and now it seems there may have to be another one. That's not taking into account any legal appeals.
The first hearing officer took over a year to issue his findings after the initial contested case hearing wrapped. Then it took the BLNR about 6 months to finalize the hearing officer's findings of fact (2011-2012; 2012-2013). The first contested case hearing lasted seven non-consecutive days.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 02-19-2017
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/costs-tmt-case-steadily-rise-state-s-bill-more-200000
As of Dec. 31, the state's bill for the quasi-judicial hearing was $224,789.62, according to the Department of Land and Natural Resources. Expenses through January were still being tallied, a department spokesman said.
Good thing we have a massive budget surplus and plenty of money to burn, right?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilanidude - 02-19-2017
@gypsy69
How much of the work (income you made) that you have done over the years can be attributed to tourists in some form or another? Did you work on B&B's, vacation rentals, homes built by owners of vacation rentals, etc.? Most of it?
If you get your wish here - your own work will dry up. Then how do you support your family?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 02-19-2017
attributed to tourists in some form or another ... your own work will dry up
Let's not forget the indirect impact: if the "hospitality" industry disappears, it will take lots of jobs with it -- even if those jobs aren't lost by anyone we know personally, we're still missing a chunk of our collective tax base.
That's before even considering the potential impact of "no more business investment".
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilanidude - 02-19-2017
kalakoa - You "get it".
While it can be annoying sometimes with all the tourists, one must remember that most of the jobs here can eventually be traced back to tourism. Look at how many people Luquin's employed just because tourists came in to eat and drink? Half, maybe more?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilanidude - 02-19-2017
Been watching a number of these proceedings lately...
If the protestors say the takeover was illegal and the kingdom should still be in charge, wouldn't the kingdom's own rules and laws still be in effect? Wasn't one of the kingdom's own laws/rules to make the old religion that was practiced, illegal? If these people believe in the kingdom, does this not make the entire case of sacred lands being violated, not true?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - randomq - 02-19-2017
Leilanidude, your use of logic is offensive to my beliefs.