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RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - oink - 05-11-2012
It's sad that some here feel the need to belittle or insult those that hold views that differ from their own. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Liberals accuse the conservatives of being intolerant. I think the opposite is closer to the truth.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - dmbwest - 05-11-2012
Awe come on Oink,
I know you are stirrring the pot now : ) ... You want a neighbor like this ?
aloha,
pog
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - PaulW - 05-11-2012
One day I'm a member of the "far right", next day I'm a liberal. I just don't like crazies having guns.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - oink - 05-11-2012
Originally posted by 4antares:
quote:Actually I thought they usually knew their attacker
The majority of sexual assaults on women are opportunistic surprise attacks where it is unlikely the women would have a chance to get to their gun.
quote:Really? You are very unique if you personally know 3 women that match that scenario.
[ I know three women who have been attacked when they had a gun in their purse. Did it help them? No, it gave the creep a weapon to use against them, which they did.
quote:Maybe, but only extensive and constant practice will be of much use in such scenarios. I am a proponent of active resistance is such cases.
Martial arts training would have served them better.
quote:Correct, one man alone has no chance against such organized opposition. I don't envision such a scenario. I believe in a case of attempted tyranny the tyrant would be opposed by many. As I previously stated, I don't see the imminent threat you appear to see.
As far as resisting tyranny goes, that is a nice delusion to believe in. Sure you may have your Alamo moment and get to feel like John Wayne but in reality you have no chance against even the weaponry of the local police, much less the federal government, if they are intent on eliminating you.
quote:Sounds like a man with serious problems, possibly resulting from his war experience. I hope you attempted to intervene before he reached that desperate place. He must have suffered greatly.
I had a friend, a very well armed Vietnam combat vet who had no compunction about defending himself or killing others if needed, who tried. His Alamo experience lasted less than fifteen minutes and he was going up against a small, rural county sheriff's department.
quote:I'm a firm believer in legal short barreled shot guns for home defense.
As for home defense, a sawed off shotgun is far more effective than a handgun. Just the sound of a round being chambered is enough to deter most criminals.
quote:Not really true. At the ranges likely to occur in a home defense situation the shot will not have expanded substantially so some accuracy is a necessity. I like the shotgun for home defense to be loaded with bird shot which would still be very effective at close range and it is not as likely to travel through as many walls if the intended target is missed. Longer range shooting in such home defense situations would be inappropriate.
Plus you don't have to be as accurate.
quote:Not if stored properly while you are gone. Besides, I recall several recent reports of incidents in the Puna area that were not simple unoccupied burglaries
As is mentioned elsewhere here, the majority of crime in the area is burglary, not robbery. If you aren't home, it doesn't matter if you have a gun handy beyond the fact that in all likelihood your gun will end up in the hands of the criminal.
quote:I also find your rationales lacking. I don't live my life in fear. I have carried a gun daily for about 30 years. It is a tool I'm comfortable with. I do try to be aware of my surrounding as I go through life, as should we all. Of course no one is perfect in that regard.
I am neither for or against guns. They are just inanimate tools given purpose by the individual holding them. But I do find that most of the rationales offered for their justification come from those who live their lives in fear.
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Originally posted by KathyH:
quote:Better that some I guess.
Very well said.
quote:I guess we will never know. I don't see the down side to her having been armed. She might be alive today.
A friend of a friend of mine was blitz attacked in a restroom at a truck stop (in Ohio as it happened). She was brutally stabbed to death by a stranger. I don't see how a gun would have helped unless she had it in hand while she did her business and washed her hands.
quote:I have no problem with martial arts knowledge. However, I have seen a number of petite women who knew a little martial arts and as a result were overconfident to the point of not using good common sense. Your old tried and true method is good common sense.
Martial arts, yes, or maybe the old tried and true which is women stick together and don't go in potentially unsafe places alone.
quote:Maybe not in hand but if she had a small one in her pocket she might be alive. Again, we will never know.
But this is getting far from Puna ...
What about Dana Ireland? Should she have been riding her bike gun in hand?
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - oink - 05-11-2012
quote:
Originally posted by Pog Awe come on Oink,
I know you are stirrring the pot now : ) ... You want a neighbor like this ?
She doesn't bother me and would probably make a better neighbor than many. I do detect a bit of naivety, from my perspective (as a result of my background), but I see that in many people on these topics. I also realize there are many other people whose knowledge in these areas far exceeds my own and may see me in the same light. Such is life.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - nana valley - 05-11-2012
oink, thanks for all your postings in this subject. A few months back I took an "unofficial" gun safety course with an instructor/friend and with all he taught me and all I learned and all the practice on my firearm, the one big thing I will always remember is when he asked me, "Do you intend to shoot an invader or deter him?" I knew what he was implying when he asked. If I only carry the gun or plan to use it to deter harms way, I should NOT own any gun. He warned me clearly that the villain will use my gun on me. When I committed to owning a gun on the mainland for protection, I knew I had to use it if a situation asked for drastic protection.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - dmbwest - 05-11-2012
" Use it " = what ?????????
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Guest - 05-12-2012
Here is a nice little post from a war vet on one of my gun forums:
"Which demonstrates the value of your opinion and thought processes.
Let's wave the magic wand, and make all guns (which are nothing more than machines for throwing rocks) go away.
This returns us to the days in which everyone is at the utter mercy (or often lack thereof) of the men who are the biggest and strongest, and can use the weapons of that world--all of which depend on massive upper body strength and long years of training which must be supported by keeping the peasants down so they can supply these men with food and such, so they can spend all their time training with these weapons.
Guns are tools, usable by anyone regardless of strength and gender, and requiring only a little training for minimal competence. They are tools, for a specific purpose, and enable a 98lb woman to stand up to her 300lb male attacker. Civilized people use tools, especially tools which allow equality and productivity, as opposed to those which impose rule of brute force and inequality and destruction.
I make blades, I practice with blades, and I've actually used blades in combat. Take a gun from me, and you render me no less dangerous. You do make it much harder for the young woman who isn't as comfortable and practiced with blades as I am, and isn't as strong as her attacker will be, to defend herself."
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Greg - 05-12-2012
Here is a nice little post from a war vet (me);
I don't need a gun. I am aware of my surroundings, practice passive self defense techniques, and live happily without the paranoia that comes with gun ownership. My neighbors and I watch out for each other and are comfortable knowing that a thief is not going to have an easy time targeting our neighborhood.
Eyes, ears, dogs, fences, cell phones, cameras, alarm systems and situational awareness are all effective deterrents to crime. These are our tools. They work fine and don't come with the worry of intruders arming themselves at our expense.
I repeat my earlier post; I don't worry as much about armed home invaders as I would about some poorly trained, highly armed, paranoid Republican moving into the neighborhood.
Remember; our right to bear arms is guaranteed to idiots as well as anyone else.
So keep your guns if that's the only way you feel safe; But give a little thought to whether you want them secure against theft, or easily accessible for quick use against the lawless hordes of armed minorities out there. Have a mellow, worry free day!(sarcasm)
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Guest - 05-12-2012
quote:
Originally posted by Greg
Here is a nice little post from a war vet (me);
I don't need a gun. I am aware of my surroundings, practice passive self defense techniques, and live happily without the paranoia that comes with gun ownership. My neighbors and I watch out for each other and are comfortable knowing that a thief is not going to have an easy time targeting our neighborhood.
Eyes, ears, dogs, fences, cell phones, cameras, alarm systems and situational awareness are all effective deterrents to crime. These are our tools. They work fine and don't come with the worry of intruders arming themselves at our expense.
I repeat my earlier post; I don't worry as much about armed home invaders as I would about some poorly trained, highly armed, paranoid Republican moving into the neighborhood.
Remember; our right to bear arms is guaranteed to idiots as well as anyone else.
So keep your guns if that's the only way you feel safe; But give a little thought to whether you want them secure against theft, or easily accessible for quick use against the lawless hordes of armed minorities out there. Have a mellow, worry free day!(sarcasm)
Hell man, thats your right. Sounds like you have it all figured out. Its my right, as well as the OPs and other "idiots" to have them if they want. I used to be a very anti-gun close minded socialist, and then I grew up and reality hit me. I have used a gun to prevent what was most assuredly going to be a rape and the police never showed though they were called many times. My girlfriends neighbor was too scared to help. I would love to see any statistics or facts for the gun theft leading to raving gun toting criminals. I don't know what you define as a minority on this island? I have many friends on this island, the most armed are my local friends, and they are not idiots.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul