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RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - glinda - 04-29-2019
the fact that the county has no money
Is complete BS.
Harry wanted a road to Pohoiki, they built a road. Harry does not want the folks in the upper kipuka to have access, they don't get a road. It is as simple as that.
Money? What a crock...
Obie.. you defended county, you defended not building a temp access road. When I first asked about it in February you said it would all be dealt with in April. Everyone would have access in April. You were wrong, and full of yourself in your pompous Shut Up and Wait attitude. That's all, 'nough said.
RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - Obie - 04-29-2019
https://youtu.be/fOj104WflNs
What's this ? Looks like a road to me.
RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - Obie - 04-29-2019
King Harry proclaimed that nothing could be done until 6 months had passed since the USGS proclaimed the the eruption pau. That resulted in the emergency proclamation expiring and then it was no longer possible to put in a temporary road.
Enter the bureaucrats and all their regulations.
RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - Obie - 04-29-2019
Glinda, Instead of being a keyboard warrior and spending your time calling me names, you could attend this meeting that our group is putting on. Harry and other county officials have been invited but our group will set the agenda.
The public is welcome.
imualowerpuna
E hana ana no: Community Meeting
May 10th, 4-6pm
Pahoa High & Intermediate School
15-3038 Pahoa Village Rd, Pahoa, HI
Off-island? Tune in on Hawaii Tracker's Facebook page for the Live event
RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - ElysianWort - 05-02-2019
Senator Russell Ruderman appeared on KHON news this morning talking about this subject.
To me that is good news for everyone wanting access returned. He seems to help expedite the process and make things happen. As does addressing this issue on state television morning news.
RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - kalakoa - 05-02-2019
News flash: farming slow to recover! (Fortunately the paywall will prevent people from finding out.)
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/05/02/hawaii-news/farming-slow-to-regrow-after-kilauea-eruption/
Tallying up farm losses from the eruption has been imprecise. A Hawaii County preliminary damage assessment conducted from mid-May to mid-June found 101 agriculture businesses that reported losses estimated at $23 million.
The UH survey was based on 46 farmers who reported $28 million in losses that included the value of crops, land, buildings and equipment. Floriculture and nursery farms reported the biggest loss at $13.3 million, followed by papaya farmers at $6.5 million. Macadamia farmers reported $2.5 million in losses. Farmers raising a variety of other crops reported $5.7 million in losses.
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The Hawaii Department of Agriculture said it provided three emergency loans of $100,000, $35,000 and $25,000 to papaya farmers affected by the 2018 eruption through a "last resort" lending program where loans of up to $500,000 are still available until June to farms that have been denied commercial loans.
For example:
Puna had been home to at least 90% of all Hawaii papaya production, according to Weinert, who estimated that half those farms were hurt by the eruption.
Calavo Growers, a major Hawaii papaya producer managed locally by Weinert, had 700 acres of fields in Lower Puna ready to replant a year ago. But they remain inaccessible because county roadways were cut off by lava and access by private roadways can't be arranged.
Summary: some farmers remain, they still want to farm, some of their farms still exist, but somehow nobody can make a road to solve the problem of farmers reaching their farms.
RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 05-02-2019
farmers remain, they still want to farm, some of their farms still exist, but somehow nobody can make a road to solve the problem of farmers reaching their farms.
Let’s look again at my favorite comparison to the lava flow, flood prone areas. Kauai and vast areas on the mainland had intensive flooding this past year. Yet, roads were repaired, access regained by the farmers because with a low or no population density, farming is considered the best possible use the the land.
Most papaya farmers don’t live on their property. If another lava flow occurs, the impact and losses are minimal compared to that in a residential area. In the meantime, workers are employed, fresh fruit is grown for Puna residents and exported to other islands and the mainland. One of the few products we have that other people want.
If the County allowed farmers to do so.
RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - Obie - 05-02-2019
Here's what is happening right now.
Because the emergency declaration has expired it has triggered a host of regulations that have to be followed.The first step is for the STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DIVISION (SHPD) to determine if anyone is buried in the area where the road is being rebuilt.
In most states this would take about 30 seconds because logically there was a road there and its unlikely that even if someone were buried there that they would be further harmed by rebuilding the road.
This is Hawaii and in some cases it takes up to 5 years to get past this step.
I could go on with all of the permits involved but it gets kind of mind numbing because it is so ridiculous !
RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - kalakoa - 05-02-2019
Because the emergency declaration has expired it has triggered a host of regulations that have to be followed.
I'm sure the timing is merely a coincidence. Especially given that opening the red road to Pohoiki was considered part of the "emergency".
RE: Why no access for those isolated by flow? - glinda - 05-02-2019
quote:When folks tell those that speak up to shut up, well they get the government they deserve.
Originally posted by Obie
Here's what is happening right now...