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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 03-20-2017
Here is an interesting video or two about another extra large telescope that's going up in Chile right now and how it works. Perhaps a few similarities to how the TMT project will be constructed and work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xxqjRWZvCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=450jt8LlcnY
Do we really want Mauna WaKea defaced like this Chilean mountain has been?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Rob Tucker - 03-20-2017
quote:
Originally posted by gypsy69
Here is an interesting video or two about another extra large telescope that's going up in Chile right now and how it works. Perhaps a few similarities to how the TMT project will be constructed and work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xxqjRWZvCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=450jt8LlcnY
Do we really want Mauna WaKea defaced like this Chilean mountain has been?
Beautiful. Wish we had that here. I didn't see any defacing... not like the trash and beer bottles I find under nearly every bush here.
Looks as clean as Mauna Kea does when I go up there. By the way every been up to Mauna Kea. There is a road there because there are telescopes. No telescopes, no road. No get to go up high in the atmosphere and look around in amazement.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - ericlp - 03-20-2017
Nice reply Rob...
I agree...
But, I don't really value that much... Even tho the telescope will bring jobs, I don't really value that as much for I know only a handful of people will be lucky enough to get those jobs.
What I value is the science and the data and information that the telescope will bring to ALL of us humans... I value the knowledge that will be available to "ALL" of us. The discoveries... As our little spec of dust (our planet) spinning around one of the trillions of stars out there is just too small ... I'll leave you all with this passage.
There's a two-page spread in a world atlas which shows our galaxy within many galaxies, and within our galaxy the solar system. And here you get a sense of the magnitude of this space that we're now finding out about. What those pages opened to me was the vision of a universe of unimaginable magnitude and inconceivable violence. Billions upon billions of roaring thermonuclear furnaces scattering from each other. Each thermonuclear furnace a star, and our sun among them. Many of them actually blowing themselves to pieces, littering the outermost reaches of space with dust and gas out of which new stars with circling planets are being born right now. And then from still more remote distances beyond all these there come murmurs, microwaves that are echoes of the greatest cataclysmic explosion of all, namely the big bang of creation, which, according to some reckonings, may have occurred some eighteen billion years ago.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 03-20-2017
Not all in our rich history needed a road to visit the summit region. Say's here that the royal family use to frequent the Lake Waiau with queen Emma being the last in 1881. I imagine tons of trash and garbage from the telescopes has already been buried around the summit region over the years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Waiau
Also an interesting link here regarding Lake Waiau.
https://www.lovebigisland.com/quick-and-remarkable-facts-about-hawaii/lake-waiau/
All 5 pages of This link may be worth reading to see just how long this culture clash has been happening.
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/mar/18/news/mn-39418
A gentleman by the name of Nelson Ho brought up the piles of trash left by telescopes on Mauna Kea to light sometime in the 90's.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 03-20-2017
Gyspy wrote:
"I imagine tons of trash and garbage from the telescopes has already been buried around the summit region over the years."
You "imagine" but as usual don't supply evidence. In fact, any garbage in the summit area is trucked down to sea level, including trash from tourists, at the expense of the observatories. Secondly, all the observatories carry out regular environmental clean-ups of the areas surrounding their buildings, and often farther. Which is why Rob says it looks clean up there whenever he visits. But please feel free to make more untrue insinuations.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 03-20-2017
TomK, you were the astronomer who once wrote here on PW that "no" life lives on the proposed TMT site, hopefully you still don't believe this fabrication of your truth. You also once reported a bullet hole in one of your telescope doors that turned out to be astronomer caused. TomK, you also claimed that a protector damaged a vehicle on the mountain, when in fact it was the vehicle that hit the protector first. Maybe White lies from atop our white mountain have come from astronomers too. jmo
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 03-20-2017
Gypsy69 wrote:
"TomK, you were the astronomer who once wrote here on PW that "no" life lives on the proposed TMT site, hopefully you still don't believe this fabrication of your truth. You also once reported a bullet hole in one of your telescope doors that turned out to be astronomer caused. TomK, you also claimed that a protector damaged a vehicle on the mountain, when in fact it was the vehicle that hit the protector first. Maybe White lies from atop our white mountain have come from astronomers too. jmo"
I made no such claims. Back up your accusations with evidence.
ETA Gypsy's post before he edits or deletes it.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 03-20-2017
PS. A quote from Gypsy:
"Good morning, very thankful no one was hurt by the stray bullet that found a home in an observatory door this past weekend."
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 03-21-2017
only a handful of people will be lucky enough to get those jobs
Those jobs will be taxed; those people will spend their income on living expenses here. More importantly, it's all "new" money from "outside" our local economy.
I imagine tons of trash and garbage from the telescopes has already been buried
Imagination is a wondeful thing; it allows me to believe that someday the roads will be paved.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - PaulW - 03-21-2017
Gypsy, if you have to resort to lie after lie after lie to support your position, then don't you at some point realize it's not a position worth holding?
And for what? To prevent economic improvement and stop more money flowing into education? Noble goals.