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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-29-2017
Social media sites are lit up with people
Eric1600,
Can you mention a few examples? I don't use Facebook so miss quite a lot of the direct anti-TMT commentary. Any non-Facebook sites that you've seen?
Four people are in a room and seven leave. How many have to enter again before it's empty?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 07-29-2017
Here's a thought: disqualify anyone who organizes via Facebook, thereby trimming the proceedings down to a manageable level.
Seriously: did the ancient Hawaiians have Facebook (or electricity, or gasoline)? They're willing to embrace technologies that serve their agenda, while ranting about "desecration" caused by "progress".
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - punaticbychoice - 07-29-2017
kalakoa @ 8:12:39-
Yup.
Kind of like Bin Laden and so on.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 07-29-2017
Kalakoa,
The ancient Hawaiians have never had much since their backs were put against American walls. This is an interesting article regarding some Native Hawaiian history.
https://wanderwisdom.com/travel-destinations/Hawaii-and-Native-Hawaiians-What-You-May-Not-Know
Some of my Hawaiian friends are saying enough is enough with the continued desecration, lies and lack of respect from the oppressors. They may be embracing the many new technologies for learning purposes and in hopes to bring together friends and family. Maybe you and others here would rather see the new technologies taken away from the Hawaiians like their language, voice and rights once were in the past. jmo's
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 07-29-2017
enough is enough with the continued desecration, lies and lack of respect
Yet their definition of "desecration" is selective: Mauna Kea is sacred, the Walmart parking lot isn't. If they want to reject "the oppressors", they need to reject all tools of that oppression, starting with the US Dollar, anything less is hypocrisy.
would rather see the new technologies taken away from the Hawaiians
We're well down the path of having TMT taken away from EVERYONE. Is that a fair outcome to protect the "sacredness" of a few?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-29-2017
new found religious temple
...
did the ancient Hawaiians have Facebook... They're willing to embrace technologies that serve their agenda
Ala carte mountain religion.
Ala carte technological acceptance.
Like a wedding between the various and sundry: "something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue."
What I would like to see, if "The Protectors" believe the mountain top is sacred and they continue their push for total decommissioning of the telescopes, why not ask for additional preservation of Mauna Kea and request the Access Road be closed at Saddle Road? It would provide the ultimate safeguard for the summit area aina, the rocks, plants, and insects. The roadbed itself might remain open as a trail, so after parking in a newly constructed lot* right off the highway "The Protectors" et al could continue the rest of the way on foot, at anytime, for truly traditional practices and ceremonies.
*Assuming a car parking lot is considered acceptable land use at that point in the future. With free battery charging stations for electric vehicles, assuming electric poles and lines are acceptable at that time, etc, etc ,etc...
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-29-2017
Maybe you and others here would rather see the new technologies taken away from the Hawaiians
On the contrary, I would like to see the Hawaiian people use technology to their advantage. I would like to see Hawaiian students graduate from high school, continue on in college and become an integral part of the technology sector in the 21st century. Kids should be encouraged to use computers and tablets and take STEM classes.
Even if they choose not to become astronomers, or botanists, or biologists who could study the flora and fauna of our mountains and shoreline, they could study the real history of their ancestors, the authentic cultural practices and development of their religion over the centuries. Not just an imagined and concocted mishmash like some of "The Protectors" serve up, because not enough people understand they are being sold a bill of goods.
I asked the following question recently; what happened to the momentum "The Protectors" had a year or two ago? They did nothing after the TMT construction was halted. They could have used their clout to help Hawaiians receive their rightful claim for a homestead with DHHL. But nothing, because, why?
Will it be any different this time? Now, they rise up, and if they "win" what will be the result? Less than nothing. Again.
Four people are in a room and seven leave. How many have to enter again before it's empty?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - punaticbychoice - 07-29-2017
HOTPE: yes on both your 10:10:49 and 10:49:05 posts.
Many questions about OHA and DHHL and their failure to serve all Native Hawaiians per their legal charters.
DHHL has existed since 1921, and there is no reason that most Native Hawaiians don't have their own roof
over their heads today.
OHA is a boondoggle and a corrupt morass for the Native Hawaiian elite and friends.
I resent and reject these discriminatory unconstitutional entities.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 07-29-2017
It's a strange argument. A group of people are embracing technology in order to learn, but reject new technology and the educational benefits and funding that come with it. It seems a little contradictory to me.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 07-30-2017
A group of people are embracing technology in order to learn
Ironically, they're using some technology to organize their resistance to certain other technologies.