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RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Guest - 05-12-2012
As I have learned many times it really weakens your argument when you resort to insults and emotion.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Greg - 05-12-2012
My apologies if I insulted you. It wasn't my intent (although sarcasm is a service I offer for free). I posted what I did to counter any misconceptions about combat veterans being overwhelmingly "pro gun".
I also attempted to point out that the constitution makes no allowances (other then convicted felons)to regulate who can own a gun. I wasn't referring to you being an idiot; but that actual idiots can and will own guns. There are absolutely no requirements for training in the safe use of lethal weapons like I received in the military.
By all means; exercise your rights! I certainly exercise my right to work for gun control and regulation. It's what I'd like to think I served my country for. Peace!
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - oink - 05-12-2012
quote:That would be an interesting stat to know. I assumed that to be true but I have no evidence on that nor could I find anything with an internet search. Every combat vet I've known, that I knew was a combat vet, was pro gun ownership but I realize that doesn't mean much.
I posted what I did to counter any misconceptions about combat veterans being overwhelmingly "pro gun".
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - jackson - 05-12-2012
So, if guns are the great equalizer, how come in countries without gun owner ship there isn't a proportional rise in violent crime?
And. . .having a gun will not keep an intruder out of your house. A dog will, or a tape of a dog. My house got robbed a few years ago while I was out. They took a TV and a wifi box. Don't think I'd want to shoot or kill anyone for that. Ask yourself what posession of your is worth taking a life. Get a dog or an alarm that barks like a dog and I guarantee no home invasion. Leave some music on when you leave the house. And, I'll ask again - with all the folks moving here with their guns, some are bound to get stolen. What if those punks who robbed the tourists at the hot pond had guns?
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - PaulW - 05-12-2012
The sense of safety is an illusion. The opposite is true.
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full
"Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home."
It's up to you if you want a gun in your house. But realize that if it gets used, it's most likely to be used against someone you know. That includes you - if it isn't stolen first, of course.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Guest - 05-12-2012
quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
The sense of safety is an illusion. The opposite is true.
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full
"Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home."
It's up to you if you want a gun in your house. But realize that if it gets used, it's most likely to be used against someone you know. That includes you - if it isn't stolen first, of course.
Though Im sure Linda at the center for violence prevention will find what she wants, especially in 1993. I will bite.
quote:Duh!
The body of research to date, including the findings of this study, shows a strong association between guns in the home and risk of suicide. The findings for homicide, while showing an elevated risk, have consistently been more modest. They suggest a need for more research to better distinguish the risk and protective factors associated with guns in the home, including an examination of the risk posed by forces both internal and external to the home.
How do you expect people to kill themselves? With a butter knife?
This is the reality of life, I would use a gun too.
You can have a gun in the house or not, the reality is that that most guns wont ever kill anything. There are more then 300 million of them in the country. Guns don't kill people, violent people kill people.
Its up to you if you want to drive a car or not. But realize that if you drive one, its most likely going to kill someone you know. Most likely you - if it doesn't get stolen first of course. -from the Center of Captain Obvious studies.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - OrchidIslander - 05-12-2012
quote:
Originally posted by oink
If the definition of evil would be people who are lacking a detectable conscience or moral compass, then I would agree that there is far more evil in our society that what the average citizen can conceive of actually existing. I've seen it first hand too many times. I guess you can assign medical or psychological terms to what controls the minds of such people but the effect is the same. It is fortunate that most people can live their lives and not have first hand experience with such "evil".
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Or it could mean that people who live their lives without undue exposure to evil don't fixate on it and aren't actively out looking for it - with gun in hand or in mind.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Greg - 05-12-2012
Oink, I'm not anti gun ownership; I just feel that gun proliferation increases the chances of criminals getting a hold of weapons rather than decreasing them.
I've no need to arm myself, the vast majority of my veteran friends here don't feel the need to have guns around either. Lucky we live Hawaii! Don't need em here. Perhaps if I lived somewhere that had a much higher percentage of armed people around, I'd feel the need. I sure carried as a matter of habit when I was in that environment. I feel fortunate to live in a state that has less violent crime, fewer guns, stricter gun laws and almost no Republicans (sorry, couldn't help myself).
I'd even go so far as to suggest that more "wannabe's" feel the need to arm themselves than combat veterans. Look at recent events in Florida, where a paranoid cop "wannabe" shot an unarmed youth for the crime of WWB (walking while black). I guarantee you that a trained LEO such as yourself or veteran that's experienced combat probably wouldn't have let that happen. The murderer's gun was legal and registered, but was in the hands of, what's the word I'm looking for here? Oh Yeah,..... an idiot.
The legislators that would pass a law as archaic as the "stand your ground" law;...............Idiots.
Enjoy the serenity of Hawaii and it's gun ownership hurdles.
peace!
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - PaulW - 05-12-2012
So making suicide easier is a good thing, you think?
Please stop comparing cars to guns. It's ridiculous.
Another reason why Hawaii is the best place in these United States. Why change it?
Making gun ownership easier just puts more guns in the hands of idiots and criminals.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - dmbwest - 05-12-2012
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
- Mark Twain, a Biography
apply changes as ness.
aloha,
pog