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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-02-2017
The mirror system for the solar telescope on Haleakal#257; was delivered safely today. Construction continues and is on schedule.
After the demonstration a protestor said:
“We don’t really consider this a defeat. ... “We’ll live to see the time when there are no more telescopes on our sacred sites.”
Four people are in a room and seven leave. How many have to enter again before it's empty?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kimo wires - 08-02-2017
A peaceful protest does not include blocking the roadway.
At that point it became an illegal act.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 08-02-2017
The link below is to the TMT's response to Judge Amano's decision. It highlights a couple of things she mentioned in her recommendation.
https://goo.gl/fULZir
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 08-02-2017
quote:I don't think it matters what island is involved. Even when it comes to projects that aren't managed or funded by the state, they'll find a way to screw it up.
Originally posted by geochem
quote:Sadly, the rail project suggests otherwise: more likely twice the cost and half the mirror diameter...
Originally posted by EightFingers
Bet if Mauna Kea was on O'Ahu, the telescope would be finished by now...
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 08-03-2017
This type of excessive force and brutality by the police does not show much respect to protectors in a peaceful protest.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/clip/13551705/protesters-claim-police-brutality-after-haleakala-confrontation
The roads are made public to everyone so why should folks be knocked unconscious by the force of police for using them?
The Hawaiians and their kingdom may need time to educate, learn and work together. The several planned new large Telescopes on Hawaii mountains are taking sacred lands and limited resources away from the Hawaiians for generations to come. These large new protected telescopes if built may outlive the remaining unprotected Kanaka race. jmo's
Here are a few recent video's regarding the Hawaiian kingdom's past, present and future.
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2017/08/02/full-video-dr-keanu-sai-on-hawaiian-kingdom-acting-government/
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2017/08/02/full-video-dr-wille-kauai-denationalization-in-hawaiian-kindgom/
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Obie - 08-03-2017
"This type of excessive force and brutality by the police does not show much respect to protectors in a peaceful protest.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/clip/13551705/protesters-claim-police-brutality-after-haleakala-confrontation
The roads are made public to everyone so why should folks be knocked unconscious by the force of police for using them? "
The video shows the exact opposite of a peaceful protest and the fat naked guy under the semi is a visual I won't soon forget.
How's the weather in New Jersey ??
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 08-03-2017
taking sacred lands and limited resources away from the Hawaiians for generations to come
Really? Were the Hawaiians planning to live atop Mauna Kea and grow crops there? Will they get less welfare/SS checks after the telescopes are built?
I'm getting really tired of the "we're not using it, but nobody else can use it either" approach to land management.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - randomq - 08-03-2017
Gypsy69, I respect civil disobedience and even performing an illegal act like a peaceful blocking of the road if true injustice is being done. I don't feel like this situation qualified:
1. As Ige said in the video, this project was fully and properly permitted. That likely means it passed environmental and cultural studies and there was a legal time to challenge it that has passed. No provable harm is being done.
2. Civil disobedience might include laying in the roadway, handcuffing yourselves together, going slack and making them carry you away. But that one dude was actively resisting arrest, trying to get away from the officer putting cuffs on him. That kind of physical confrontation with a police officer is beyond civil disobedience IMO.
Is there some other video that shows the police objectively using more force than necessary, and not just him resisting arrest?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-03-2017
The roads are made public to everyone
Tickets are issued every day for jaywalking or walking against the light on a public road. It's for everyone's safety.
so why should folks be knocked unconscious
Not folks, but one person causing a ruckus and another who had to be slightly pulled by an officer to encourage him to remove himself from under a truck, where he could have been crushed. He then continued to crawl out on his own, uninjured. Any action by the police increased the personal safety for all of the protesters, officers, reporters, and spectators in attendance.
The person who was taken to the hospital was released the same night and according to his friends is doing fine. You can read into that what you may about the seriousness of his injuries, and the actions taken by the police. If he was looked at by medical personnel and immediately released, it's probably not a case of police brutality.
I applaud the restrained actions by the police on Maui, responding only as necessary to enforce the law toward people who were breaking the law. I hope this sets a precedent should there be future protests on Mauna Kea.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 08-08-2017
Does anyone know if the written motions for the BLNR TMT hearing starting on Sep 20th will be available online and, if so, where? I'm assuming the same place might be used as the contested case hearing (http://dlnr.hawaii.gov/mk/documents-library/) but have not read or heard anything about this.