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RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - coppercoin40 - 05-12-2012
hmmm... wow!!! seems to be a lot of hostilities on this topic.
I would first like to thank oink, I felt oink kinda stuck up for me here! I don't believe I belittled or personally insulted anyone on this forum by honestly sharing my views and stories. I also appreciated that oink thought I might make a better neighbor than most! I know for a fact that my past and present neighbors would fully agree with oink!
I am not as crazy or stupid as it seems some of you to have judged me to be - if I was I would most likely be getting paid by the state for it!!! But it seems by some estimations here I might be, if I was, and collecting money from the state and got crazier, do you think I could get a raise?
;p ha take that for some sarcasm hehe, raised by the best sarcastic TV humor ever - British!
I am not some paranoid that carries a gun everywhere I go! Obviously some of you did not read the full content of my posts or you would note that I have been raised with guns. Not by some paranoid family seeking protection from "evil doers", but a hunting, fishing, hiking in wilderness family. However owning guns over the years has provided some sense of security as well when living a rural life.
I don't agree that a majority of times an owner of a weapon finds it used upon them instead in the heat of a crime. I do agree that does and can occur. I know to use every available and last resource - outwit, outlast, outplay before the very last resort to end or prevent an impending attack. Never ever reveal and point a gun unless you plan and need to use it. And if you do shoot to kill! Even though I believe in ownership and the right to defend myself or family from harm doesn't mean i walk around everywhere waiting to off the first person who is an @hole!
Several times when physically threatened and had access to a gun I chose to retreat and secrete myself, I prefer to not resort to violence if it can be avoided. Once when having called 911 for assistance - and I was desperate and thought for sure I was going to be a goner after having my door kicked in I fled into the woods quickly enough and was smart enough to know HOW to hide. It took the police a half an hour to respond to the scene. Yes, I had a gun I could have attempted to use, but I was smart enough to recognize it was better to leave it hidden or in that particular case it most likely would have as someone in this thread said "been used against me".
Again, I like to hunt, I'm more the spotter than the hunter
I understand there are several varieties of game on the island, I am not a hunter for hides or horns, I am a hunter to provide game for the table. Speaking of game, we had the most delicious black bear back strap for dinner tonight 
I am a pretty good crack shooter when it comes to knocking off targets or clay pigeons i like to see a black powder pistol fired at night loaded with enough powder to see the fire roar out the barrel - kick in the pants! Thats the redneck in me and country gal. I am for some tighter regulations on guns also. I don't want to see them in the wrong hands either. I get the feeling that a lot of the posters on this topic might come from larger urban jungles than from rural areas. If that is the case I can totally understand why they might feel so strongly against guns. I am not from a place with gang wars and drive by shootings, I am from a rural country provide food from nature lifestyle.
To quote from a post on this forum "only kooks own guns" totally not true in all cases! Did you know that there is shooting sporting event in the National Olympics!?
Another quote "You don't sound well" !!! Insulting and narrow minded - why waste my breath, energy, and even time to continue debating on this post??? Honestly I do try to tell myself to keep my views to myself and not to post on these forums due to so much negativity, sometimes I get the better of myself and doggone it go and express myself anyhoos!
One of these days I will learn just to keep my mouth shut and snort to myself at the rest of you! To those same one who was insultive - I agree a birthday party a place for a gun!??? NOT! But if someone has the intent to harm, many of that ilk have certainly found other ways just as evil if not more evil than a gun to use to cause harm and even death. Former hero and now disgraced OJ is a good example of that!
Lately I have not laid claim to any specific political party, I vote for who I feel is the best for the job, for the USA and whose views i most relate to.
Naive - yes about a few things most likely true although I hate to admit it and try not to be.
I hope I used enter enough for the person who said I didn't have enough white space so they din't read my post! LMAO its probably more due to my long winded opinions ;D
Well hope I am not stepping on any toes or out-rightly insulting anyone. For 99.99% of the folks we met in Hawaii, everyone was great, gracious, giving, friendly and full of Aloha. We have not felt more welcome than we did in Hawaii. If that kind of love is spread there then yes there should be no need for violence. But I sure did see a lot of pigs, a few turkeys and pheasants and other game that might meet the end of my gun! Unless of course I learn of new quieter, safer ways to secure game meat
No not from the grocery store either! It grosses me out to think about all the people handling my food sources! Peace out folks, chillax a little like your preaching about! Sounding a little uptight and strung tight as a rubber band. Don't be so judgmental, its not going to scare me off
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Guest - 05-12-2012
Your ****ing alright with me ma'am. Lets hang out.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - missydog1 - 05-12-2012
quote:Yes, I was reading along just fine thinking it was cool that you got it. It sounds like you didn't think I was serious.
I hope I used enter enough for the person who said I didn't have enough white space so they din't read my post! LMAO its probably more due to my long winded opinions ;D
I only said that because I'd seen quite a few of your posts that were unreadable solid blocks of text. It's not an insult. It was one of the first well meant tips a friend gave me. Break up the text. The human eye needs that when reading a monitor.
Thanks.
I have lived in urban, suburban, and rural environments. Rural environments have included a few that were far from help or neighbors. So far so good. Back in the day, I knew people who got into trouble. I knew people who dealt with the mob, Hells' Angels, and pure craziness. I did my best to keep a degree or two of separation. I never felt that a gun would help me. <shrug> What helped me the most was keeping my head straight and cultivating a sense of when to get away from a situation. [
]I would rather pay more money to live in a neighborhood on this island where people don't come around breaking into occupied homes. There are places in Puna that I have looked at that put my radar up and I said, hell no. I'd rather do it that way. When I lived in Oakland, I picked a neighborhood where I wouldn't be in the crossfire. Yes, I was well aware of it, and where it was, and I didn't go there.
If I had insisted on going there, I might have been shot.
You can't avoid every situation where some crazy person might start shooting, but I don't think the answer is for everyone to start carrying.
There's an illogical assumption that is so and so "good person" has a gun, that the other people in the situation would not. But if one advocates more guns, then the increase should be proportional -- good and bad alike will have them.
Say Dana Ireland had a gun. Well then, you also have to assume the three sorry excuses for human beings who ran her over also had guns. Who wins, three guys in a vehicle with guns, or the girl on the bike? The only way the situation improves, MAYBE, is if only the proposed victim has a gun -- but why would it work that way?
HAWAII IS NOT ALASKA. [
] IT IS NOT TEXAS. [] IT IS NOT FLORIDA.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - konadave - 05-13-2012
quote:Aloha,
Originally posted by 1voyager1
Hi again folks.
I'm back with more questions concerning our impending move to B.I.
I've been looking into the "minefield" of regulations concerning gun ownership in Hawaii.
I have a few questions concerning things that I think I understand but am not absolutely certain.
I own:
.44 mag pistol [Ruger Redhawk]
.22 LR semi auto rifle [R&H Model 165]
7.62 x 39 semi auto rifle [Russian SKS]
1. These firearms may be shipped packed with household goods, or as declared items by USPS, UPS, Fed-Ex and checked air line baggage? Other options?
2. The SKS is a legal hunting firearm in Hawaii?
3. The 10 round magazine limit is only applicable to hand guns and does not apply to 30 round magazines for the SKS?
4. The firearm safety classes required for purchasing a hand gun are not applicable to a pre-owned hand gun brought into the state?
That's all I can think of right now. I'll probably come up with more as I delve into this.
Doing this by memory so double check anything you feel is incorrect.
1. I suggest you pack them in your container. It is the cheapest way to ship them here. USPS won't ship them at all. UPS I believe only ships handguns, no long guns. Fed-Ex will ship long guns, not handguns. Checked in baggage can create issues with the TSA.
2. Yes.
3. Correct.
4. Correct.
Don't let the uninformed and naive influence your decision to bring your guns. You have every right to bring them here and defend yourself and your family. You also have the right to fire your weapons on your property but it is illegal to let the bullets fly past your property line. Just realize you do not have the right to defend your property. And pets are included as property. Stupid Hawaii laws.
You won't be able to ship ammunition here which includes powder and primers if you reload. Actually, you can ship them here but it is more trouble and costly than it is worth. Much easier to move here and buy ammo. The problem you will find once here is that the election is looming and last election it took a year afterwards to find ammo in the stores again.
You are welcome to join other like minded Hawaii residents at www.2AHawaii.com. You will not be prejudged there no matter what your beliefs and opinions are.
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RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - konadave - 05-13-2012
quote:KathyH/Pua Kenikeni,
Originally posted by KathyH
Why move here and bring the gun mindset?
What is the gun mindset?
Someone who owns guns is doing nothing more than exercising their second amendment right. Just like you are exercising your first amendment right. The analogy I offer is valid. The problem is the only mindset is by people who don't understand and are naive to firearms. If you are saying that the gun mindset is owning firearms and defending ones self and hunting (all of which are American values for hundreds of years and perfectly legal) then I don't get it? All the OP asked was a few questions about bringing his legally owned firearms into the state and you immediately make statements about his mindset. Especially since you don't even know the guy!
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RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - big_island_bound - 05-13-2012
Well, the last time I checked, Hawai'i IS a state of the USA. 2nd ammendment rights are afforded to all it's CITIZENS who are law abiding individuals. Now tell me that granny wouldn't have needed a gun to thwart off an intruder in her home and being nearly hacked to death in the middle of the night. Sure the criminal didn't have a gun. He just grabbed a pair of garden shears from outside her house then broke in. If you live in a city, you might have a decent response from the police. If not, then you are left with nothing. Break into my home while my family is asleep, there is only one thing going through my head, and it aint asking the perp if he takes cream and sugar with his coffee. Someone breaks into a home that's occupied has NO GOOD intentions in store for you or your family. How is your response time for the local police down here in Puna?? In an emergency, I think the fire department would show up first. I don't advocate the murder of anyone, but NO ONE will take away the right for me to protect my family. The 2nd ammendment was written to keep the government in check, but you see who's enacting all the gun control legislation and regulation.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - dmbwest - 05-13-2012
and the pattern repeats ... "defend, intruder, perps, protect.
I would like to hear from gun owners in this thread what they would do if they did not have guns. How would you live your lives ?
pog
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - big_island_bound - 05-13-2012
Another point...say the North Koreans or the Chinese wanted to invade the US....which is closer, Cali or Hawaii? Who would be safer? As a famouse Japanese general once stated, there would be no invasion on American soil as there would be an American with a gun behind every blade of grass. Do you remember from school when the last occupation of American soil was and how they were driven out. I am sure than given enough time the dumbing down affect of the public education system will be the downfall of this country. They will forget what the constitution was written for and the people that gave their lives for the pursuit of the freedoms that were given. The country is changing for sure by the government who are ignorant of everything that goes on on their own soil only to submit to those that put the most money in their pocket or will give them the votes they need to stay in power which again ='s more $. I believe that these so called politicians that make these laws and advise our president should be forced to live in the same crime filled nieghborhoods in the districts they represent. May then we could get something done. Hawaii is a state of the union, not its own country contrary to what some believe.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Bullwinkle - 05-13-2012
The Chinese owning 26% of the U.S. debt - they may believe their paper makes them the owners of 26% assets of the U.S. until we pay it back
No need for them to invade.
guns - I was taught, if you are going to have them around - never show or talk about them. The best and most effective tactic being surprise.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - dmbwest - 05-13-2012
'famouse' Admiral here.
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