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RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - jackson - 05-13-2012
Well that's the absolute most far fetched scenario yet. What on Earth would any of them want with the Big Island. Besides an invasion of that kind would lead to WW3 at which point all you little guns will be moot.Puuuullllleeeeeease.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Guest - 05-13-2012
WW3 does not seem like such a far fetched scenario to me.
lets just say you are a raging superpower dependent on other peoples resources. You just need to set up a military hegemony ensuring that all resource trades happen with your unbacked fiat paper currency, lets call it the petrodollar.
If a country were to refuse to trade in your reserve currency, which is worthless because you have been debasing it to pay for runaway government spending, then we bomb them. We bomb and torture as many as possible, over a million in more then two decades. Hopefully maintaining control of the resources after we bomb them, despite many of them still shooting at us with the guns we should have taken away from them first.(for their own safety, no need for guns with the infallible US government around.)
Pretty soon things get crazy and crazy countries start trading resources using gold bullion instead of the petrodollar, these countries are growing and relatively financially sound compared to the US and Europe. Lets say Iran, China, India, Russia, and Brazil. Well if this is happening and it invalidates our hegemony over everyone we are going to need to go to war with them or our system will fail. it will start with the first act of war, starving their people, sanctions. These starving people will turn to their stronger leaders who will radicalize them against a common negative element. Seems like the world is ripe for conflict not just at home, especially after the depression really hits people, but all around the world.
Here are some pictures of Iran and Iranian people: http://imgur.com/a/OrkDh#0
They seem to look a lot like us, do they need guns?
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - myomy - 05-13-2012
It is Sunday and there are 140+ postings on this thread. Amazing. Talk about wasted bandwidth.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Guest - 05-13-2012
quote:
Originally posted by myomy
It is Sunday and there are 140+ postings on this thread. Amazing. Talk about wasted bandwidth.
I have been enjoying the conversation. The page is only a couple hundred kilobytes, not much. If you do not like it, why did you post? Isn't that a waste of bandwidth?
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - big_island_bound - 05-13-2012
I enjoy the comfort of my own private arsenal, like someone said, I don't brag about them to anyone, but knowing they are there lends a little more comfort then having to defend myself and my family with a stick when sh*% hits the fan. So, that being said, you can sing kum-bi-ya at your campfire and hope that that peace, love, and what the hell ever talking your way out of an impossible situation will save your ass...go right ahead. I will be left standing there with my head held high and still breathing without sacrificing my values while his criminal buddies are dragging his sorry carcass off my property
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - Rob Tucker - 05-13-2012
It is always interesting. About once a year the topic of guns in Hawaii comes up and runs a gauntlet of opinions.
Having been through three home invasion robberies myself (east coast - decades ago) I attribute my survival to the fact that I was not armed. But that's just my experience.
To the largest degree I have always enjoyed Greg's posts on the subject the most.
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - csgray - 05-13-2012
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
When I teach the constitution we often will spend a couple of classes looking at the 2nd Amendment and parsing out the meaning of all the different parts, both separately and together. The more we look at it the more different interpretations the students come up with. What exactly is "a well regulated militia" is always a big question. We also talk about how firearms have changed since 1776, as well as how they were used then vs how they are used now.
I grew up in a farming community where guns were a tool used to protect livestock from predators and put food on the table. During deer hunting season virtually every PU truck in the High School parking lot had hunting rifles in their gun racks, as well as a lot of bows. Sophomore year everyone took driver's ed and speech. For their demonstration speeches many boys brought in hunting rifles and gave their speeches on gun safety. No one thought twice about seeing someone carrying a gun down the hallway of our HS. It was just assumed they were going to speech class, nobody thought they might be going to shoot up a cafeteria full of kids. 10 years later I lived in a neighborhood in Oakland where guns were strictly used to hunt people, drive by shootings that slaughtered kids whose only crime was standing next to someone in a blue or red t-shirt were a regular occurrence, and I slept in my deep cast iron claw foot tub on the nights when it seemed like I was living in a war zone because bullets frequently came right through the walls of apartments from the street.
Generally speaking, people who live in rural areas where guns are seen as tools see no reason to limit gun ownership; people who live in places where innocent people are frequently collateral damage caught in the crossfire of a high powered drug war usually want gun control. I've lived with both scenarios, am pretty committed to the US Constitution as our government's foundation document, and while I spend a week a year taking this Amendment apart to understand its meaning, I still don't know what decision I would hand down if I was a Supreme Court justice hearing a 2nd Amendment case.
Carol
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - TomK - 05-13-2012
I like Bullwinkle's approach to this. Why announce you have guns or not? Personally I'd just get in touch with the police, ask them what the laws are, comply with them and not tell anyone else anything about it that doesn't need to know.
Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - TomK - 05-13-2012
quote:What next, we all have to arm ourselves because of the possibility of a Big Island invasion by extraterrestrials?
WW3 does not seem like such a far fetched scenario to me.
Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/
RE: Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I. - big_island_bound - 05-14-2012
No, just the ICE heads and crackheads