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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Rob Tucker - 11-15-2017
gypsy69 will be on vacation for a while.
Assume the best and ask questions.
Punaweb moderator
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - knieft - 11-15-2017
quote:
Originally posted by Rob Tucker
gypsy69 will be on vacation for a while.
Assume the best and ask questions.
Punaweb moderator
aaahhhhh...sigh of relief.
Cheers,
Kirt
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkD - 11-15-2017
OK, newbies, this means some of our old-timers are now unoccupied (or under-occupied) and are likely itching to find another errant poster who needs straightening out. Pick your words/topics with care.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - randomq - 11-15-2017
Pop quiz time:
1. Who is Mauna Kea named after?
2. What do his half-sister and daughter both have in common?
3. Which kapu was invented purely as a distraction and why?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 11-15-2017
MarkD, just like what has been happening since this time last year, they will be turning on each other. The fuse is lit, just gotta blow on it a little.
mahalo for all your words here.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 11-18-2017
With all the recent nonsense being posted in this thread, I don't think the final decision by the BLNR has been posted here. 345 pages for your reading enjoyment:
https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/mk/files/2017/09/882-BLNR-FOFCOLDO.pdf
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-19-2017
Thanks Tom.
I thought I would add that although the document is lengthy, a summery can be found at the beginning for anyone who would like to read the main points in a few minutes time.
There has been a great deal of misinformation about the TMT project circulated in social media, posted on the web, and here on Punaweb which is addressed in the findings. Here are a few of the claims that were investigated:
The TMT will not pollute groundwater, will not damage any historic sites, will not harm rare plants or animals, will not release toxic materials, and will not otherwise harm the environment. It will not significantly change the appearance of the summit of Mauna Kea from populated areas on Hawai‘i Island.
The TMT site and its vicinity were not used for traditional and customary native Hawaiian practices conducted elsewhere on Mauna Kea, such as depositing piko, quarrying rock for adzes, pilgrimages, collecting water from Lake Waiau, or burials. The site is not on the summit ridge, which is more visible, and, according to most evidence presented, more culturally important than the plateau 500 feet lower where TMT will be built.
Some groups perform ceremonies near the summit. The evidence shows that these ceremonies began after the summit access road and first telescopes were built, but, in any case, the TMT will not interfere with them.
“Facts fall from the poetic observer as ripe seeds.” -Henry Thoreau
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 11-19-2017
I have to admit I had a bit of a senior moment last night - the BLNR decision was posted here before, but given all the distractions and thread hijacks recently, I'm glad I posted it again!
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - PaulW - 11-20-2017
Just a "bunch of rich folks staring at the stars" says glindakine.
Well, we just had an unexpected visitor streaking by at 85,000 miles per hour. Might be useful to know about this in advance in the future.
Spotted by a telescope in Hawaii, I hasten to add. Thanks Science!
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Anxious Messiah - 11-21-2017
quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
Just a "bunch of rich folks staring at the stars" says glindakine.
Well, we just had an unexpected visitor streaking by at 85,000 miles per hour. Might be useful to know about this in advance in the future.
Spotted by a telescope in Hawaii, I hasten to add. Thanks Science!
Exactly!
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