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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 11-27-2017
Today, It may be interesting to hear what the Hawaiian Kingdom representatives think about the TMT project. From what I understand, The Hawaiian Kingdom is in an ongoing state of war with the United States.
If some of you are looking for something to do while stuck inside this week avoiding the rain and cold, Here are a few interesting recent videos and well written articles.
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2017/11/27/full-video-dr-keanu-sai-la-kuokoa-conference-presentation/
http://www.mintpressnews.com/MyMPN/hawaiian-kingdom-american-empire/
http://www.vqronline.org/reporting-articles/2017/01/sovereignty-under-stars
The Hawaii independent had a good article a couple years back that helped explain the states direction and intentions.
http://hawaiiindependent.net/story/state-attempts-to-torpedo-kapu-aloha
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Kapoho Joe - 11-28-2017
quote:
Originally posted by gypsy69
Today, It may be interesting to hear
Nope. Not interesting at all.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-28-2017
The Hawaiian Kingdom is in an ongoing state of war with the United States.
The US has been waging a "War on Drugs" for decades, with little or no effect; perhaps "The Hawaiians" can manage this level of "success".
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 11-28-2017
Kalakoa, "war on drugs" LOL.
I did not expect KJoe to respect The Hawaiians or their day of Independence anyway.
I posted those videos and articles above because before there was a thanksgiving in Hawaii there was an Independence day for the Hawaiian Kingdom.
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/county-council-recognizes-hawaiian-independence-day
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-28-2017
before there was a thanksgiving in Hawaii there was an Independence day for the Hawaiian Kingdom
...recognition of which did nothing to improve relations.
Perhaps "The Hawaiians" should decide who they are and what they want? Because as it is, they've established a reputation for interfering without proposing any meaningful solutions.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - glinda - 11-28-2017
quote:Do you actually believe that kalakoa? They may not have declared some unanimous consensus of opinion, and plans that are fixed in stone, but are you really convinced that nothing has been done to develop and articulate a position?
Originally posted by kalakoa
Perhaps "The Hawaiians" should decide who they are and what they want? Because as it is, they've established a reputation for interfering without proposing any meaningful solutions.
For instance, as reported earlier this year here:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2016/02/26/breaking-news/native-hawaiian-constitutional-convention-adopts-governing-document/
which in part reads:
The Native Hawaiian constitutional convention this afternoon adopted a governing document that will go out to a vote for ratification.
The constitution, approved by an 88 to 30 vote with one abstention, apparently allows room for federal recognition by the U.S. government while holding out for the possibility of independence.
“We reaffirm the National Sovereignty of the Nation,” the preamble says. “We reserve all rights for Sovereignty and self-determination, including the pursuit of independence.”
and seems to me to be a bit more than "interfering without proposing any meaningful solutions." Even if you personally may not like it and as such do not consider it a "meaningful solution," it is a whole lot more than "interfering."
And yes you can point out that to date the constitution has not been ratified, and further that many Hawaiians do not agree with it, but still it's a long way from your blanket "interfering without proposing any meaningful solutions" don't you think?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-28-2017
to date the constitution has not been ratified, and further that many Hawaiians do not agree with it
Pretty much my point. What have they done in the year-and-a-half since then?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - glinda - 11-28-2017
quote:I don't know. Have you asked them? I mean, other than bitching about it what have you done?
Originally posted by kalakoa
to date the constitution has not been ratified, and further that many Hawaiians do not agree with it
Pretty much my point. What have they done in the year-and-a-half since then?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-28-2017
other than bitching about it what have you done?
Other than bitching about it (in the form of obstructionist legal action), what have "The Hawaiians" done?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - glinda - 11-28-2017
quote:Unfortunately we all don't march to your drum kalakoa. So sorry brah.
Originally posted by kalakoa
other than bitching about it what have you done?
Other than bitching about it (in the form of obstructionist legal action), what have "The Hawaiians" done?
As it is many different groups have had gatherings, educational workshops, organizational meetings, on all the islands throughout the state in order to formulate and move forward with their plans. But so sorry you weren't invited, or at least haven't attended and become personally aware of what is happening. So sorry there has not been major news stories so as to satisfy your need for absolutes. But hey, I am sure you'll agree changes of such magnitude take time. Just look at the way the US government is unable to function. Why is it any other group should be expected to do otherwise?