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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-19-2017
Two statements today about the pending decision by the Hawaii Supreme Court on the TMT:
Dec 19, 2017 06:15 PM
HONOLULU - Gov. David Ige is urging the state Supreme Court to issue a quick decision on the Thirty Meter Telescope case.
"They've heard it before. We're hoping they make a speedy decision,” Ige said Tuesday on Hawaii News Now Sunrise.
...
Kealoha Pisciotta said rushing the Supreme Court is a bad idea.
"It's not appropriate, we need the Supreme Court to take the time that they need to make sure that our constitutional protections are assured,” she said.
"We're kind of tired of being forced to be on a timeline for a development that isn't even from Hawaii.
"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -James Madison, The Federalist Papers, 1787
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 12-19-2017
Considering this process was approved by state authorities about 5 years ago and was only stopped by the supreme court because they felt that the contest case didn't get enough time prior to approval, it would seem to me saying an "out of state" force is dictating a time line is laughable. Ige has no sway with the court anyway, they'll handle this the way they want. Based on what was presented at the Future of Mauna Kea meeting it seems that everyone knows this and they are going to make a try at establishing themselves as the single voice for Mauna Kea. They even went as far as to say PUEO members were only allowed to testify "due to an error of the court".
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-19-2017
they are going to make a try at establishing themselves as the single voice for Mauna Kea.
Many of the protestors and "Protectors" feel they are the true voice of Mauna Kea, even though they don't agree among themselves. So... they attempt to invalidate by any means necessary the suggestions and ideas offered by anyone opposed to their position in the decision making process.
If they look to the past as a guide, there never was a single voice for Mauna Kea. The ali'i had access, for all others the mountain summit was kapu. It appears some believe it should be that way again, with one group telling another, "kapu."
"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -James Madison, The Federalist Papers, 1787
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 12-19-2017
I think we can simplify this. TMT need to make a decision very soon about where they build the telescope for scientific reasons. It might be as early as mid-January 2018. Ige wants the court to hurry up and make their decision before the deadline, Pisciotta wants the decision to come too late.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-19-2017
I think we can simplify this. TMT need to make a decision very soon... Pisciotta wants the decision to come too late.
Yes.
For Pisciotta it's better late AND never.
"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -James Madison, The Federalist Papers, 1787
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 12-19-2017
In the meantime:
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/community/telescope-time-maunakea-scholars-kealakehe-high-students-first-awardees-school-year
"The telescope time awarded will facilitate advanced research by the students whose projects were deemed most creative, scientifically promising and technically viable. The students have been at work for months alongside mentors from the University of Hawaii’s Institute for Astronomy, analyzing data and preparing professional-style research proposals.
The committee selected the first three winning proposals for observation:
• Shanen Arellano, “Is There a Relationship Between the Metallicity of a Nebula and its Shape and Size?”
• Nathan Weir and Mason Solmonson, “NIR Spectroscopy of Accretion Disks of Different Black Holes.”
• Amanda Schiff, “Composition and Formation of Secluded Starburst Galaxies.”"
This is stuff that's at the cutting-edge of astronomical research and local students are involved, yet there are some here who want to destroy those opportunities. I don't get it.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 12-20-2017
some here who want to destroy those opportunities
They don't want to "destroy" the opportunities, they just want those opportunities to happen "somewhere else" that isn't "their sacred mountain".
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 12-20-2017
Unfortunately, they've been quite aggressive and bully astronomy students at UH -- usually their peers are doing the bullying. It's not wrong to say they are destroying opportunities as well as aspirations of other Hawaiians. If the TMT goes away so does a lot of educational funding.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 12-20-2017
Kalakoa,
"They don't want to "destroy" the opportunities, they just want those opportunities to happen "somewhere else" that isn't "their sacred mountain"."
It's obvious you've not experienced the protests first-hand and would appreciate it if you didn't post your views on something you obviously know little about.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 12-21-2017
you've not experienced the protests first-hand
The "anywhere but our sacred land" view is from these forums, as well as letters and articles published in the HTH and other fine publications; it applies not only to TMT but to many forms of development, most recently the composting facility.
Apologies if my lack of personal involvement is found offensive by some. Perhaps I, too, should move away from these sacred lands, and take my job-creating tax-paying activities with me. Would New Mexico be far enough?