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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkD - 12-21-2017
From Kalakoa "They don't want to "destroy" the (telescope industry) opportunities, they just want those opportunities to happen "somewhere else..."
This view is correct. Native Hawaiian sentiment against projects is not Luddite (anti-technology). Many native Hawaiians are enthusiastic users of large 4-wheel drive vehicles and numerous other technologies. They do not harbor a dislike of astronomy (perhaps they are best described as uninterested).
And their assertion that Mauna Kea is sacred is, to a significant degree, suspect.
Native Hawaiians believe they have been disenfranchised in Hawaii politics, particularly in land use decisions (and, of course, sovereignty). The TMT protests are primarily an exercise of power. With the specific intent of getting state agencies to negotiate.
Aside from some control over the use of Mauka Kea, native Hawaiians probably seek a quid pro quo in some other area. (And they are signaling: Next time we complain about something, you better pay attention.)
A poster's comment to Kalakoa "...would appreciate it if you didn't post your views on something you obviously know little about."
A comment both inappropriate and uninformed.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 12-21-2017
The TMT protests are primarily an exercise of power. With the specific intent of getting state agencies to negotiate.
I say again: a misguided exercise, considering the DHHL lands "reserved" for Native Hawaiians (who can prove blood quanta, have enough money, sterling credit, and the immortality required for the waiting list).
Not that I have any personal experience -- and therefore must know nothing of what I speak.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-21-2017
(And they are signaling: Next time we complain about something, you better pay attention.)
...
the immortality required for the waiting list).
After construction of the TMT begins, and the current leaders of "The Protectors" become tired of standing with their back against the wall for mug shots (now, turn to your left), perhaps they'll gather for a followup Future of Mauna Kea meeting. And perhaps they'll refocus their attention on the agencies (OHA, DHHL) who could do so much more for their cause with homesteads and education.
I recently read a photo essay in The Atlantic Magazine about residents in remote Tierra del Fuego. There is a large group of people who cannot afford to live in the expensive town of Ushuaia, located at the far southern tip of the world, so they've set up their own accommodations in the hills a few miles away. Many of the photo captions refer to an "informal mountainside community."
It might be time, soon, for Native Hawaiians who are tired of waiting for a homestead, and who realize there are no telescopes keeping them from the homesteads they've been promised, to take matters into their own hands. Take matters, take DHHL land, and construct their own informal mountainside communities on the flanks of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa.
"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -James Madison, The Federalist Papers, 1787
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkD - 12-21-2017
"It might be time, soon, for Native Hawaiians who are tired of waiting for a homestead...to take matters into their own hands....and construct their own informal mountainside communities."
That takes both initiative and hard work. The protests--they take some initiative. But not much in the way of hard work.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Aaron S - 12-27-2017
https://www.facebook.com/TMTHawaii/videos/1628397177217748/
Briefing and oral argument schedule for the consent for TMT's sublease and the CDUP appeal with the Hawaii Supreme Court.
3:03 to 4:32
The Court has released a briefing schedule for the TMT CDUP appeal. This process will run through early spring 2018. Then the oral arguments will be scheduled.
The Court is full briefed on the consent for sublease, so they only need to schedule oral arguments. That will happen sometime next year.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-27-2017
only need to schedule oral arguments.
Thanks for the update Aaron.
Do you know whether the oral arguments are presented in a structured manner, or is there any leeway for the type of free range presentations made at the Hilo hearings?
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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Aaron S - 12-27-2017
The oral arguments are in a structured manner; Both sides will make a short arguments to the court. Then the justices will question the attorneys on both sides.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 01-24-2018
The oral arguments are set for March 15th, 2018.
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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 03-26-2018
There's a new poll out tonight concerning the TMT, and it's good news, really good news.
Statewide, 77% of respondents approve of building the TMT.
Among Native Hawaiians, 72% now approve of its construction.
Here are the totals and complete breakdown by categories:
https://www.scribd.com/document/374711098/The-Hawaii-Poll-March-2018-TMT
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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 03-26-2018
a new poll out tonight concerning the TMT
State still has to "actually" make a "decision".