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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - KeaauRich - 06-18-2016
I suspect many of the participants will be tripped up by this (quoted from the tribune herald):
"The retired judge indicated she wanted everyone to be heard while at the same time cautioning the new parties they will have to meet the quasi-judicial hearing’s deadlines and hefty paperwork burden or risk losing their status."
I just hope no one places rocks in the doorways to bar entrance to the hearing room
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - PunaMauka2 - 06-18-2016
"...much larger drama"
Speaking of which... I see dakine still has the market cornered on composing the most melodramatic of prose.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 06-18-2016
What was the purpose of the meeting in the hearing room?
I was trying to point out that If the meeting was to listen to testimony or folks who had something to say about the impacts the TMT project may have to themselves, the community, or the sacred summit. Many of those folks were sitting outside in the heat, including that inspiring older couple I met and had mentioned here.
How did the Pueo group gathering or rally go?
I ask because I didnt see anything from the pueo group or talk to anyone representing the group outside. If the pueo group was there it must have been earlier than I had arrived and been small enough that they all got seats inside the hearing room,jmo.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - opihikao - 06-18-2016
FYI: (Update - *Snipped More at link - Lengthy video/Detailed list of video coverage)
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/06/18/video-inside-and-out-at-the-tmt-contested-case-conference/
VIDEO: Inside and Out At The TMT Contested Case Conference
Once again, mahalo to Big Island Video News.
ETA: Aloha ahiahi, all. Mahalo for your opinions on this "somewhat progress". First, the County Council chambers was booked, and now Judge Amano addressed the change to the State Bldg. in the video (she stated: ..."would have accommodated everyone"; "beyond our control").
The entire proceedings went well, (evidenced by the video) given the challenges. Judge Amano handled the entire hearing with fairness. She has my utmost respect. All parties handled themselves in a dignified manner, including the "protestors/protectors", who spoke English to Judge Amano, and were respectful and well spoken.
The schedule discussed after the ruling, is as follows (from my copious note taking by hand, not iphone...lol/Link above (DLNR) will have full order when posted):
Witness List - Deadline: July 18th
(*Responses to Witness list deadline 8/1/16)
Site Inspection - To be scheduled
Deadlines for Pre-Hearing Motions - July 18th
(*Repsonses to Motions due 8/1/16)
There will be NO Discovery
Subpoena deadline - To be within written order; subject to change
The State/UH/BLNR/DLNR/et al, given the Supreme Court Ruling, have assigned this burden to Judge Amano to make sure it is done right this time. None of this would be happening if it was done right in the first place. Now, the onus is upon those who approved the first "permit" (BLNR/et al), to overcompensate in the "fairness/transparent" perception area. It was quite evident given the verbal statements, moreso, the body language in the room, from all parties.
The Sub-lease is still in discussion, per Judge Nakamura's order, post Supreme Court Order. Still has not been revisited by BLNR, per the attorneys, and that remains another hurdle.
There is still a challenge ahead for all parties, timing being of the essence for one, and timing being as important to the other. Never mind, it's an election year.
This is still not about just TMT, but the bigger picture, and finally, in my view, all of it is coming to light. Slowly, but surely. Tutu always said, "What you do in the dark, will come out in the light". I trust this process will finally bring change and fairness, to ALL of the lands under the management of this State, and their various departments.
JMO.
ETA: Thoughts after watching video/Clarity
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 06-18-2016
Thanks for the update, Opihikao, it's really appreciated. However:
"This is still not about just TMT, but the bigger picture, and finally, in my view, all of it is coming to light. Slowly, but surely. Tutu always said, "What you do in the dark, will come out in the light". I trust this process will finally bring change and fairness, to ALL of the lands under the management of this State, and their various departments."
I agree in general this is not just about the TMT, but this particular process is about the TMT and claims of sovereignty or illegal takeovers are unlikely to be entertained as they have no bearing on whether state laws were followed by the BLNR and the state.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, but my gut feeling remains; the TMT won't be built here, even if this quasi-legal process ends up in the TMT's favor.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 06-19-2016
"The TMT and all of its associated excuses is just a small, very small, part in a much larger drama."
I think it would be good to see dakine actually explain this statement and cite some facts to back up whatever his argument is. I don't know what the "associated excuses" are for instance. It sounds like a made up term to me. Excuses for what, exactly?
I'm specifically asking for facts because dakine has deliberately made things up in the past and hoping he can avoid doing the same again.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 06-20-2016
quote:
Originally posted by gypsy69
How did the Pueo group gathering or rally go?
I ask because I didnt see anything from the pueo group or talk to anyone representing the group outside. If the pueo group was there it must have been earlier than I had arrived and been small enough that they all got seats inside the hearing room,jmo.
There were a lot of people both from PUEO and individuals who gathered to the left side of the entrance of the building. I would estimate about 70-100 people. Keahi and one elder spoke (sorry I don't recall his name) to the whole group and one of the protectors filmed most of the message. Richard Ha was not in the group, but he was at the council meeting (EDIT: actually I think he's in one of the photos there in the group outside but he didn't say anything). The message did not differ from the videos, HPR interview or their website. Honestly PUEO was not very organized and were trying to hand out some t-shirts. Their story talk was impromptu (because many people had gathered around) and they had a short statement of support sheet they were passing around.
They were inclusive, welcomed the protectors as well and are doing their best to heal the rift the religious division that has been dividing a lot of people on this island. They answered questions and told stories about children they knew personally who were afraid to admit they wanted to grow up to be astronomers, as well as UH students who felt they had to hide in the closet. They had no signs and were mostly just standing off to the side. Many of them left shortly after they found out the room was full and closed, however their numbers were close to the size of the more vocal anti-tmt crowd.
You can contact them directly or watch their videos and radio interview with any questions on their website.
http://alohapueo.org
http://facebook.com/alohapueo
http://twitter.com/alohapueo
P.S. The air-conditioned building was open to the public as soon as they seated everyone some time around 10:40 I think. I'm not sure how long your elderly couple baked outside, but many people seemed to think they couldn't go in the building.
PPS. I see they posted a few photos from the gathering on their support page http://alohapueo.org/support-us/ And I looked around some more and found Richard Ha had posted a video and some photos too https://www.facebook.com/richard.ha.hilo
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 06-20-2016
Thanks for the update, Eric1600. Still waiting for dakine's explanation about "excuses" though.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 06-21-2016
Still waiting for a response to my question, dakine. What are the excuses associated with the TMT?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 06-22-2016
the TMT won't be built here
Why would anyone want to invest in a place which is so actively hostile to their very presence?