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RE: BP Gas... - tada - 06-07-2010
At least local folks finally coming to their senses about geothermal-
http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2010/06/03/local/local03.txt
The change i noticed in the weather in recent years on the Leeward side is the trades keep crankin throughout the year and don't die out in September- if that's climate change bring it on!!
RE: BP Gas... - Wendy - 06-08-2010
Carrie,
It's comforting to know that some people are actually waking up. My husband and I live within 25 miles of the Gulf Coast and hope to move to Hawaii one day.
Far too many people have their heads in the sand and are not willing to do anything or to see what is happening.
I know I will be blasted for this, but I really don't care who loses their job if they are involved in the oil industry, whether bp is involved, Exxon, or a neighbor or a potential neighbor. It's criminal what is happening. God created a magnificent paradise on Earth and man has done everything he can to destroy it. We have the technology for clean energy, but that's not where the money is. Greed runs the world, and most people are sheep.
There are cars that have been modified to run on used vegetable oil. I mean come on. The technology for clean energy is definitely available. When we bought our Prius (long before they were popular), media and other sources were trying to get people to believe that they could not save any money buying a hybrid car. They even had calculators for supposedly computing this. Unexpectedly, some people did not listen to the media, the government or the fat cats and instead bought the hybrids, which has in turn caused the production of more hybrids, and now electric cars are coming to market.
Offshore drilling needs to stop. Drilling in any environmentally sensitive areas needs to stop.
My heart is broken. Dolphins are dying. Turtles are dying. Birds are dying. Fish are dying. The ocean is dying. The Earth is dying. We are dying.
People can make a difference, and Carrie, you and Tony are two such people. Mahalo nui loa for your post and aloha.
RE: BP Gas... - Bob Orts - 06-08-2010
quote:Is your goal to save money or reduce your use of oil?
Originally posted by Wendy
When we bought our Prius (long before they were popular), media and other sources were trying to get people to believe that they could not save any money buying a hybrid car. They even had calculators for supposedly computing this. Unexpectedly, some people did not listen to the media, the government or the fat cats and instead bought the hybrids, which has in turn caused the production of more hybrids, and now electric cars are coming to market.
I own a new Tahoe and right now I'm averaging just about 90 miles for each gallon of gasoline I use. Can your Prius match that? If the goal is to save money and reduce some of the oil you would use, the Prius will do, but if your goal is to dramatically reduce your use of oil, buy a Tahoe or Suburban.
Hawaii is in a great position to radically cut the use of oil, if, and only if, they abandon conventional oil reduction methods and take the radical and logical leap. Not to mention the economic windfall to the islands.
RE: BP Gas... - mdd7000 - 06-08-2010
Good points, Bob Orts. You actually don't save money by buying a Prius or similar hybrid.
Ex. 2001, MSRP $20,000. With 12k miles per year, that car is now worth $4,000 wholesale (Black Book)
If you had instead bought a middle of the road 2001 Toyota Corolla LE, it would have had an MSRP of $14,000. Again, with 12k miles per year, it now has a Black Book wholesale of just over $4,000.
The initial $6,000 price difference + interest would have paid for a lot of fuel. What kills the hybrids is the long term maintenance and repair costs and people are afraid to buy an older used one.
There are all kinds of things that one CAN do to reduce their use of gasoline. Sure, veggie diesel works if you have a diesel and IF you can get enough veggie oil. They work well in warm weather, but won't start in the cold! What happens when everyone wants that free veggie oil and there isn't enough to go around? Restaurants will be charging you for it.
Anyway - being on an island - a boycott of any kind that hurts any neighbor isn't a good idea. You may need that person's help at some point. The island is too small to burn bridges.
RE: BP Gas... - Chuysmom - 06-08-2010
"...lightning will strike the clock tower, electrifying the cable...as the connecting hook makes contact...thereby sending 1.21 gigawatts into the flux capacitor...and sending you back to 1985." Doc Brown
Carrie
http://www.sapphiresoap.etsy.com
"Even the smallest person can change the course of the future..." Galadriel LOTR
RE: BP Gas... - PaulW - 06-08-2010
Poor Bob and mdd, you've been brainwashed by "them"!
RE: BP Gas... - Carey - 06-09-2010
LOL Carrie, even better was the "Flux Capacitor" Doc Brown had installed in the sequel!
The best way to reduce oil consumption is REDUCE.... gasoline is a fraction of the oil each of us is responsible for.... packaging, food, electronics, paints, glues, inks, sticky notes.... the oil web is so encompassing in our present day life...
The other thing to remember, the manufacturing of an automobile consumes oil... so even a total electric on PV, like the ol' Rav EV or the upcoming Nissan Leaf are a part of the oil web.
The best way to reduce oil is to reduce, reduce, reduce..... on everything you buy, look for the oil web connection .... then think of the connection between the thing you buy & the oil spill.... it may be a sobering role play
RE: BP Gas... - Kapohocat - 06-09-2010
quote:
Originally posted by mdd7000
Good points, Bob Orts. You actually don't save money by buying a Prius or similar hybrid...
The carbon footprint in the manufacturing and eventual disposal process is greater. You may save overall on your personal gas consumption, but think about the process for YOU to get there affects everyone. My personal belief, just like with plastic bottles and the Pacific trash gyre, is the emperor is not wearing clothes in his hybrid.
But I dont have a better idea except for us to get a more fuel efficient better scheduling mass transit system, or just travel less in general, carpool when can.
EDIT: Carey did give me one idea that will not hurt our retailers - use your fabric market bags made by the little old ladies in Hilo instead of white plastic bags, or the petroleum product ones sold at the grocery stores as "recyling bags". Carey is right - we need to reduce not just exchange. Plus we help increase our own economy and keep those bits of fabric out of the landfill!
RE: BP Gas... - Chuysmom - 06-09-2010
Fabulous!! Eat more LIVE food and less packaged food! Drink more water and not Crystal Light (which I used to love) which comes in plastic within plastic! Fill up your glass bottle to carry with you in your car - it's healthier and no dioxins leech into the water!
I discovered that if I keep my recycle grocery bags in the car - I forget them...they need to be hooked onto my bag or purse! I think it's that short term memory thing...LOL.
NOW, isn't it true that the carbon footprint to buy a new Prius or other hybrid is staggering? Isn't it better to keep your older car going as long as possible? Just askin'.
Carrie
http://www.sapphiresoap.etsy.com
"Even the smallest person can change the course of the future..." Galadriel LOTR
RE: BP Gas... - Carey - 06-09-2010
Buying new on anything, rather than keeping old adds a huge footprint - BTW, many hybrid owners forget a few facts, 40-50MPG SOUNDS wonderful & new, however there were a bunch of older cars, all the way up into the 90's, that got BETTER MPG than most hybrids... we had a 4 door 4 cyl Suzuki sedan that got 45MPG....if that hadn't rusted out completely, we would still have it.
Hybrids have so much additional equipment - manufacturing 2 motors is not a better way... a better way (for personnel motorized transport) is a single motor that is much more efficient than the gasoline "Infernal Combustion" - all of the heat generated is wasted energy... IC's are one of the least efficient motors around, fueling it with a limited supply fossil fuel is not good resource management, never was.
Interesting to note, a little over a century ago, gasoline was truly expensive. As a limited supply resource, it should have stayed that way....