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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Obie - 08-16-2016
quote:
Originally posted by gypsy69
Before the TMT Project starts using millions worth of our Islands resources, maybe it should be a priority to make sure all have equal access to them?
So many people here in Puna are living without county water, electricity, paved roads, trash service, proper waste treatment. Our many keiki here in Puna are lacking Air conditioned classrooms in their schools while The TMT would be running several large Air conditioners all day, every day, to take pictures, gather Data from space and to play star war games. What makes it worse is that much of the electricity and water needed to operate this TMT project or other observatories atop Mauna Kea may actually be coming from Puna today.
No Observatories including the TMT would be able to operate to it's fullest potential without these needed resources or the infrastructure that has been put in place for them. Our Island Keiki today are the future of the Big Island and they are our most precious and most often forgotten or ignored resource. They need Equal access to use their water, electricity, ocean, and Mountain summits before foreign users like the TMT drive the costs up or deplete them. jmo
https://www.scribd.com/document/191448413/The-Big-Island-Growing-Pains
How much air conditioning do you need on the top of a mountain where it rarely rains and the temperature is fairly constant ?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkP - 08-16-2016
On the most fundamental level these are things that we should be providing ourselves. As a state of the greatest nation on earth we ought to be dangling our ability to provide such resources in front of TMT Corp's nose like the proverbial carrot on a stick. To reverse that and suggest that potential business clients provide such basic services for us ought to be extremely humiliating but if one can't see that then I guess ignorance is bliss.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 08-16-2016
The top of Mauna Kea doesn't have piped water, paved roads, or trash service, either, so what was the point again?
As far as "air conditioning for the keiki", how about designing better buildings instead of cramming everything into a box that must be air conditioned to be habitable? There's some vintage architecture in Hilo that works just fine without A/C. (For that matter, why a "building" when a screen lanai works just fine?)
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilanidude - 08-16-2016
quote:
Originally posted by dakine
quote:If the objective is to, during the day, keep the interior of the dome the same temp as it is during the night I suspect it's a lot. Way more than a few classrooms.
Originally posted by Obie
How much air conditioning do you need on the top of a mountain where it rarely rains and the temperature is fairly constant ?
Dakine, I would think you would understand that the temperature stays relatively near 32 degrees all year. they won't be needing much air conditioning, will they? Maybe heat...
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkP - 08-16-2016
quote:The point is that Gypsy was saying that the keiki don't have these things at home or school. I was pointing out that that is our own problem and how counterproductive it is to air our dirty laundry.
Originally posted by kalakoa
The top of Mauna Kea doesn't have piped water, paved roads, or trash service, either, so what was the point again?
As far as "air conditioning for the keiki", how about designing better buildings instead of cramming everything into a box that must be air conditioned to be habitable? There's some vintage architecture in Hilo that works just fine without A/C. (For that matter, why a "building" when a screen lanai works just fine?)
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 08-16-2016
"As far as "air conditioning for the keiki", how about designing better buildings instead of cramming everything into a box that must be air conditioned to be habitable? There's some vintage architecture in Hilo that works just fine without A/C. (For that matter, why a "building" when a screen lanai works just fine?)"
O.K. why don't you get right on that, in the meantime how 'bout YOU spring for a couple fans or compact AC for the kids sweating in class ?
What was the topic of this thread again ?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 08-16-2016
pointing out that that is our own problem
...
how 'bout YOU spring for a couple fans or compact AC for the kids sweating in class
I bring plenty of money to the local economy, but I can't tell State where to spend it.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 08-16-2016
Related to the loss of additional funding for local education if the TMT relocates:
"Pro-telescope group: Don't close door to education benefits "
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/nation-world/national/article96074832.html
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - opihikao - 08-16-2016
Aloha ahiahi, all (haven't read back...yet). This long post (below; sent to me by ohana in Canada) has nothing to do with the Contested Case Hearing (which is the title of this thread, yet, it's dwindled into oblivion, again. [xx(] Thus...)
FYI: (*Snipped - More at link - Very good article with the scientific analogy of what is transpiring, plus the dollars spent, etc.)
http://optics.org/news/7/8/21
Vancouver-based Dynamic Structures has confirmed it won a $10 million contract to design the enclosure that will house the giant Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT).
Set to feature a primary mirror comprising 492 hexagonal segments and a folded Ritchey-Chrétien optical setup, the TMT's site was originally scheduled to be under construction at the summit of Mauna Kea on Hawaii Island by now.
However, the build schedule and even the eventual location of the telescope were thrown into doubt in late 2015 when its construction licence was revoked by local authorities under pressure from residents opposed to the development on religious and environmental grounds.
Mauna Kea is already home to several large observatories, including the Gemini Observatory, the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope, and Japan’s Subaru Telescope, although the TMT would dwarf each of them.
At the SPIE Astronomical Telescopes and Instrumentation conference held in Edinburgh in late June, TMT spokesman Fengchuan Li said that although the telescope consortium was continuing to meet with the Mauna Kea authorities on a monthly basis, alternative sites were also now under evaluation – with a final decision on its location expected by early 2017.
Once TMT is up and running, its sophisticated adaptive optics system envisaged is expected to generate images ten times sharper than the Hubble Space Telescope, while it will be able to detect across a huge range of wavelengths stretching from 310 nm ultraviolet light to 28 µm deep in the infrared.
That will allow investigations of early galaxies, black holes, planet formation and characterization of extra-solar planets. TMT scientists are also expected to work closely with those using the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST), with JWST locating targets that could then be studied in more detail using the TMT spectrometers.
Site choice could impact enclosure design
In Edinburgh, Li admitted that the eventual location of the TMT could affect its precise design, given the different weather and wind conditions to be found at alternative proposed mountain-top sites in the Canary Islands, Baja Mexico, and Chile, compared with Mauna Kea.
Quite interesting. Thinking about starting yet another thread for updates on the Contested Case Hearing Status. [?]
Rest well, all, for tomorrow is another day.
JMFO. ("Frustrated" opinion, not "F*ing, for the record.) Waiting for document for the next hearing to be posted.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 08-16-2016
Thanks, Opihikao. I did post that story a few days ago in an attempt to show the deadline for where the TMT decides to go is much sooner than most realize. The result of the current hearing may not factor in at all in the end.