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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - geochem - 09-20-2016
P-Ted, I'm speechless. That photo is absolutely priceless. I will be printing it out and will have it framed on my wall before the end of the day. It says everything anyone needs to know about life in Hawaii today.
ETA: Maybe that should become the new "official" Governor photo posted in all the state administrative offices. If I correctly remember the (original) Hawaii Five-O episodes, McGarrett always had a photo of the Governor on his wall... And especially in all the observatories
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 09-20-2016
"[...]And especially in all the observatories"
I think I'll hang our copy up in the bathroom. Seems to be the most appropriate place.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - pahoated - 09-21-2016
Ralph is probably one of the many displaced locals, with not enough Hawaiian blood to be considered Native Hawaiian.
This island has only been coming out of a century of plantation republic since the collapse of sugar plantations in the 60's. Tourism fell way off, especially Hilo side. In that environment, not having blood percentage to be recognized as Native Hawaiian meant becoming an even lower class than plantation laborer plus not getting any of the "sympathy" money the more than "half-breeds" were getting.
It is a fact, the entire top of Mauna Kea is an ancestral graveyard. There has been a survey to identify individual grave locations but that is with the European idea of a grave yard, bodies in plots. That doesn't mean Native Hawaiians had some commercial cemetery on the top of the mountain and it was divided for "the deceased and their loved ones". Nobody is going to know what the layout was. The Native Hawaiians had certain rocks that were forbidden to be overturned.
Last year, Act 171 was passed to allow Native Hawaiians to dis-inter Native Hawaiian corpses for re-burial at a different site. This has been a legitimate issue with the Native Hawaiians, many having ancestors and ohana that want to locate them on Mauna Kea.
There are rules and Ralph didn't follow them, plus there are the other questions of whether there was a proper Native Hawaiian dis-internment, whether he is even Native Hawaiian (he looks like somebody from New Jersey), and whether he has any ancestor or relative or ali'i/kahuna connections to meet the rules.
Raising the issue of the whole top of Mauna Kea being a native graveyard plus Act 171 along with Ige and the state being asked why the state wants TMT is going to be entertainment of monumental proportions, almost mauna-like. Ha-ha-ha-ha-why-eeeee!
*Japanese tourist on bus through Pahoa, "Is this still America?*
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilanidude - 09-21-2016
" ...many having ancestors and ohana that want to locate them on Mauna Kea."
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Do they forget that Mauna Kea was off-limits (kapu) to them? It seems like some are trying to pick and choose which of the old ways they want to honor, based upon how it would suit their present needs.
Would like for Opihikao to chime in and give us her perspective on this. She is a refreshing voice of reason.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 09-21-2016
In Hawaii, any individual with a lawyer can bring any project they do not like to a standstill. Throw in some religious and racial baiting, and they can get any project cancelled. I have never seen anything like it. Honestly, I do not believe a legal environment this hostile exists anywhere on earth.
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You can't fix Samsara.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 09-21-2016
some are trying to pick and choose which of the old ways they want to honor
In Hawaii, any individual with a lawyer can bring any project they do not like to a standstill
I almost hate to point this out, but: where do you think "they" learned how to do this?
Haoles beaten ... at their own game.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 09-21-2016
Another interesting article on Civil Beat in support of the TMT. I read about six or seven of the comments before giving up, though.
http://www.civilbeat.org/2016/09/big-island-has-too-much-to-lose-if-tmt-leaves/
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - opihikao - 09-22-2016
quote:Aloha ahiahi, leilanidude, and all. (BBM. Exactly. Never to be traversed. It was Ali'i and Kahuna grounds, per our Kupuna.)
Originally posted by leilanidude
" ...many having ancestors and ohana that want to locate them on Mauna Kea."
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Do they forget that Mauna Kea was off-limits (kapu) to them? It seems like some are trying to pick and choose which of the old ways they want to honor, based upon how it would suit their present needs.
Would like for Opihikao to chime in and give us her perspective on this. She is a refreshing voice of reason.
Mahalo for your kind words, leilanidude. What Ralph "Palikapu" Dedman has done is deplorable. NEVER, ever, in my life have my Kupuna orated this is acceptable. Quite the contrary (per our pre-Christian teaching; we had Kahunanui, who supercedes and predates the Christian burial protocol). Our ohana Kupuna would NEVER approve of his actions. [
!]That being said, it is his "modus operandi" for decades, and he is an embarrassment (speaking from personal experience, as I have stood "toe to toe" with him, and his kind...). Dedman has his own agenda, his own ways, and the majority of the protectors/protestors did not agree with his actions (FWIW). In fact, a prominent "activist" (Hawaiian) allegedly took the iwi back to Ka'u, where it belongs, and Dedman knows why. He "marches to the beat of his own drum", as they say, and does not represent my ohana, nor many others, I am certain.
For the record, I do hold in my possession, iwi from my Kupuna, in the form of a plau'a (which represents the voice of the ohana), which was handed down from generation to generation (from the early 1800's; I am the fifth person to hold this iwi). It was made from bones (iwi) of our ohana to pass the mana on to those of us who are punahele . No one touches it, nor sees it, until appropriate. Apologies if this is TMI.
In closing with regard to the iwi, what Dedman did is disgusting and HEWA LOA. He will answer to his Kupuna in due time. In my personal opinion, with regard to Dedman's actions, he is damn near certifiable.
Back to the topic of this thread, the Contested Case status: It has been set for October 11, 2016, at the Naniloa Hotel. The final witness list should be interesting, and the testimony each will provide. When the final decision is made by Judge Amano, either way it goes, it will be appealed (by either side). The Supreme Court will, once again, make the final ruling.
May we find balance in this poorly executed "process".
JMO.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - PaulW - 09-22-2016
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/article
So if you agree with it then it's an article, otherwise it's just an opinion piece?
You quote (and copy) from Civil Beat constantly and I think you've even written an article for them, but suddenly this bit isn't worthy?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilanidude - 09-23-2016
Opihikao, thank you for responding. Your answer is along the lines of what I was thinking.