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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 10-07-2016
The participants who are representing themselves don't realize that there is a standard learning curve and basic things you need to learn that most lawyers have known since the start of their career. I suspect that there will be many people trying to delay the proceedings for a large variety of reasons. Even Richard Wurdeman has started to claim he has other scheduling conflicts and wants more delays.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkP - 10-08-2016
Anything worth doing has a learning curve and a system for keeping fools from bogging down the system. What these people are experiencing is that they are fools who are encountering the checks and balances put in place to keep fools from ruining things for everyone else.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-08-2016
Anything worth doing has a learning curve
Today's lesson: rolling boulders into a courtroom is not allowed.
No fathers or mothers think their own children ugly; and this self-deceit is yet stronger with respect to the offspring of the mind. -Miguel de Cervantes, novelist (1547-1616)
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 10-08-2016
Eric1600 wrote:
"Even Richard Wurdeman has started to claim he has other scheduling conflicts and wants more delays."
UHH had a response to that one.
https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/mk/files/2016/09/TMT-Doc-294-UHH.pdf
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Justin - 10-08-2016
I really wish I could participate in this matter as one of the attorneys. I haven't been impressed with the advocacy from either party. Good legal writing doesn't look like legal writing - it looks like...writing. Get to the point, make your arguments, get out. We aren't paid by the word. In the UHH brief, the best part of the intro was at the end, not at the beginning. That's bass ackwards.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-09-2016
In the link TomK provided (above), on page two I read the following comment:
"Petitioners further propose that, given the holiday season, evidentiary hearings be scheduled sometime between January 16, 2017 through January 27, 2017."
Do I understand this correctly? The petitioner, who wants to prevent the TMT from being built on his holy mountain because a telescope would be a desecration of his beliefs and religion, has asked the court for a scheduled recess to celebrate the (I assume) Christian holiday, so he may personally take part in the festivities to perpetuate a religion which did everything in it's power through missionaries and lay followers to destroy all aspects of the Hawaiian culture, language, and religion?
Please someone, tell me I read that wrong.
No fathers or mothers think their own children ugly; and this self-deceit is yet stronger with respect to the offspring of the mind. -Miguel de Cervantes, novelist (1547-1616)
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 10-09-2016
perpetuate a religion which did everything in it's power ... to destroy all aspects of the Hawaiian culture....
The bigger hypocrisy: our modern "Xmas Season" is really Big Money wearing a Christmas costume. Quoting from the holy book of Reznor:
god money i'll do anything for you
god money just tell me what you want me to
Weren't the protectors afraid that $1.4B would override their religous claims?
Or is religion suddenly okay as long as it serves a bigger agenda?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilanidude - 10-09-2016
I have to ask, again. At what point in time do the protectors want to go back to? Are they wanting to go back to KAPU and the death sentences for minor things? Wasn't that the religion that proclaimed Mauna Kea sacred? If this is what they want, then why are they going up there when none of them would have been allowed to and they would have been put to death for doing so.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 10-09-2016
what point in time do the protectors want to go back to?
"We wouldn't have been allowed to go there, so neither should anyone else."
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - randomq - 10-09-2016
Time travel will only get you to the past. But how do you get to the cherry picked and idealized past?