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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - opihikao - 06-23-2016
quote:With respect, yes, kalakoa, and the BLNR damn well should be held to the "letter of the law". For crying out loud, they represent the damn State in their charge.
Originally posted by kalakoa
most of us can agree there was a lot of "not following the law" that went around on all sides
BLNR is being held to the "letter of the law" while charges against the protectors are dismissed...
When the Supreme Court Justice asked their lawyer, "Do you want me to read your own laws to you?", speaks volumes. None of this would be happening today, if not for the BLNR/UH/State of Hawai'i's ineptitude in following their own damn laws.
For every action, there is a reaction; the protectors/protestors reacted to the BLNR's manipulation, and outright ignoring (potentially purposeful) the law they must abide by. The whole damn Board should be replaced. SMH.
I believe we are back on track, and trust Judge Amano will pave the path for what is the right decision. (Sadly, even she is under fire by both sides, which is unwarranted. Sorry for the slight O/T)
Enjoy the day, all! Mahalo for the good discussion, sans the "little personal swipes" that continue.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - opihikao - 06-23-2016
quote:Geeze, I didn't want to bring that whole mess up...lol. He's the one who posted on Facebook "Want to meet my little friend?" (Showing what looked like an automatic assault weapons) during the protest on Mauna Kea. Auwe!
Originally posted by kalakoa
Yes, "that" DLNR.
http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/news/state-wire/hawaii-enforcement-chief-announces-resignation-dlnr
Hawaii's chief of enforcement for the Department of Land and Natural Resources is stepping down after only six months on the job, citing "a culture of waste, fraud and corruption" in the department.
He was allowed to resign, however, the news reports state he was in essence, fired.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32277782/exclusive-dlnr-missing-guns-investigation
The DLNR today said Friel resigned and its Chair Suzanne Case praised his efforts. But in a June 16 letter, Case said she was not extending Friel's employment past his six-month probation period.
"You have not made a willing effort to foster a positive working relationship with your leadership team, due in part to a lack trust and respect by you of your leadership team," Case said.
"In addition, you have issued personnel-related directives without consulting the DLNR's personnel office."
Apologies again, for the O/T, just responding to kalakoa's post.
JMO.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 06-23-2016
dismissed because the arresting officers were "not following the letter of the law"
Which is basically the point: these officers swore an oath to "uphold the law". If they cannot be entrusted to properly execute this duty, we have a much bigger problem.
the state, DLNR, etc., are very complicit
Of course they are, and always have been; I am not disputing this point.
Assume for the moment that the "protectors" win, and thereby create precedent: are any building permits valid anywhere in Hawaii? What "pressure" does this put on State to find that its own actions were lawful?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 06-23-2016
Apologies again, for the O/T
It would seem to deserve a separate thread ... except that it's somewhat intertwined with this one.
He was allowed to resign, however, the news reports state he was in essence, fired.
Yes -- and it seems a bit retaliatory:
Since becoming chief in December, Friel has launched more than a dozen internal investigations into alleged theft, misuse of funds and other misconduct.
The fiasco does somewhat undermine DLNR's alleged "authority"...
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 06-23-2016
TMT could start construction at Atacama right away and for half of the original estimate
They'd have to settle for half the sky...
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Jeffhale - 06-23-2016
quote:
Originally posted by pahoated
If it followed the same path every other large engineering project, that means it can be expected to be $2.8 billion and 16 years. TMT could start construction at Atacama right away and for half of the original estimate. The original intention was that TMT would be a benefit to Hawaii island. It might be better for the science and economics to locate elsewhere.
"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"
That's funny!.. It seems that you're against this project, and maybe on the side of the financiers too.
In the consideration that you're indeed against it, you fail to see the benefit that you think you're exploiting; "It might be better for the science and economics to locate elsewhere.. The original intention was that TMT would be a benefit to Hawaii island." LOL.
Because if this project extends by any multiples in time hence cost, money, it also means the original intent is extrapolated to a greater benefit than intended.
More money and longer livelihood of termed employment. [wink]
Now, lets see how you can mix that into a derogatory scenario that's bad for Hawaiian economy?
That is, of course, unless you're working for the funders. LOL.
Disclaimer: I have no position for or against it. Albeit, personaly, I do think it's a waist of cash as I'd stick the money into figuring out just how in the H, we're going to sail at 1,000's of times faster than light, to get to any of them there dam planets, just inside of our own friggen galaxy, let alone another! [grin]
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 06-23-2016
"They'd have to settle for half the sky..."
You have to settle for half the sky no matter where you are. Access to the northern hemisphere sky is what they want.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 06-23-2016
Jeff wrote:
Because if this project extends by any multiples in time hence cost, money, it also means the original intent is extrapolated to a greater benefit than intended.
More money and longer livelihood of termed employment. [wink]
Although I think the TMT would balk at increased costs, there have been one or two posters concerned about the amount of money being spent. They tend to forget that this would be money coming into the state at no cost to Hawaii which benefits both the local economy and education.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 06-24-2016
Mildly off-topic, but eerily similar:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-lucas-museum-california-20160624-story.html
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 06-26-2016
Gov. Ige spoke June 24th, Friday in Kona.
Ige was directly asked if he "is going to enforce the laws?" He admitted they had enforcement issues and were understaffed.
Abel Simeona Lui interrupts everything with the sovereignty argument.
Ige also dodged a question about how to replace the lost funding for STEM education if TMT is lost.
Here is the full segment:
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/06/24/video-governor-public-talk-tmt-in-kona/