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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 10-09-2016
Keahi Warfield (from PUEO and KOYD) speaks about TMT and Mauna Kea to Ige and presents his own 10 point plan for the future for Hokukea on Mauna Kea.
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/10/05/video-warfield-supports-hoku-kea-shares-10-point-vision/
For those who don't know, Hokukea is the educational telescope that Ige told the protestors he would remove to help pave the way for TMT by reducing the physical number of telescopes on Maunakea.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 10-09-2016
Strange as this may sound, Hawaii is not going to be trapped in La-La land forever.
At some point in the future, this state will stop being a supportive haven for fringe movements based on dubious legal, racial and chemical premises. Lawyers chasing the homeless and the reality-challenged like ambulance chasers on the mainland, will be shown the door.
When that day comes, what is your answer when your children and grandchildren read about the incredible discoveries being made in the golden age of astronomy with giant telescopes and ask you people,
"WHAT THE F WERE YOU THINKING TO KILL THIS THING? WERE YOU INSANE?'
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You can't fix Samsara.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 10-09-2016
quote:Monday January 16th 2017 is Martin Luther King day, so watch out for an amended motion to avoid that day as well.
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
In the link TomK provided (above), on page two I read the following comment:
"Petitioners further propose that, given the holiday season, evidentiary hearings be scheduled sometime between January 16, 2017 through January 27, 2017."
Do I understand this correctly? The petitioner, who wants to prevent the TMT from being built on his holy mountain because a telescope would be a desecration of his beliefs and religion, has asked the court for a scheduled recess to celebrate the (I assume) Christian holiday, so he may personally take part in the festivities to perpetuate a religion which did everything in it's power through missionaries and lay followers to destroy all aspects of the Hawaiian culture, language, and religion?
Please someone, tell me I read that wrong.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - geochem - 10-10-2016
quote:
Originally posted by imagtek
At some point in the future, this state will stop being a supportive haven for fringe movements based on dubious legal, racial and chemical premises. Lawyers chasing the homeless and the reality-challenged like ambulance chasers on the mainland, will be shown the door.
You're a regular Pollyanna...
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - opihikao - 10-10-2016
FYI: (*Update - Contested Case Hearing Status)
(*Snipped - More at link including formal document)
https://sacredmaunakea.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/breaking-news-attorney-wurdeman-withdraws-as-counsel/
BREAKING NEWS RECEIVED AT 4:21PM AND CONFIRMED BY A PARTY TO THE RE-PERMITTING CASE:
RICHARD NAlWlEHA WURDEMAN issues a Notice of Withdrawal of Counsel.
Shortly after submitting a detailed, and largely compelling motion for reconsideration of removal of Hearings Officer (HO) Ricky Amano as hearing officer, Wurdeman submitted a formal Notice of Withdrawal of Counsel.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 10-10-2016
From Opihikao's link (thanks!):
"The reason for leaving is not known at this time. We do not want to speculate further."
The actual document Wurdeman submitted explains more:
https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/mk/files/2016/10/Doc-341-Anaina-withdrawal-of-counsel.pdf
"As discussed and disclosed during the status conference held on October 3, 2016, and the reasons discussed therein and the number of scheduling conflicts of counsel, counsel is unable to proceed in his representation during the scheduled contested case hearings, commencing, according to the Amended Notice of Contested Case Hearing, filed on October 6, 2016, on October 18, 2016, nor is he able to appear for a status conference scheduled for October 17, 2016."
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - opihikao - 10-10-2016
Aloha ahiahi, Mr. Tom (my aloha to Pam, and all).
I would hope by tomorrow morning, the proper documents will be filed advising change of counsel of record.
Want to add comment, however, need to think this through, as it is fresh information. Not to mention, the repercussions here on PW when commenting on "hot topics". Rumors, assumptions, and innuendo are useless at this point.
The facts of the hearing, including this new development, will be forthcoming on record. How this affects the timing of the hearing, if at all, is of concern.
Have a lovely evening all.
JMO.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 10-10-2016
As an aside, this is certainly one of the more "interesting" legal documents I've seen:
https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/mk/files/2016/10/Doc-338-Kanaele.pdf
Just a snippet:
"THE PUBLIC FUNDED PRO DESECRATOR PETITIONERS HAVE BEEN “CRYING FOUL” AND THE PUBLIC FUNDED $380 AN HOUR HEARINGS OFFICER AMANO BEEN ACTING LIKE SHE CAN’T BE BOTHERED ABOUT BEING “FAIR” THATS WHAT DUE PROCESS IS."
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Justin - 10-11-2016
Just want to point out that there is a big difference between "due" process and "perfect" process. Due Process means you get an opportunity to be heard. It doesn't mean that the opportunity is exactly when you want it to be, or for the length of time you want it to be, or that the result has to be what you want it to be. I've had trials where hundreds of millions of dollars were at stake and the trial was set for four days. Four! Could my team make every argument we wanted to? Of course not. But the Courts are full of cases, the Judges have limited time, and everyone thinks their case is most important.
Given how long this story has now been in the news (over a year now), everyone *should* have their act together and know their arguments cold. I can appreciate folks thinking they aren't getting enough time or opportunity, but from everything I've read, they are getting their "due."
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-11-2016
the reasons discussed therein and the number of scheduling conflicts of counsel, counsel is unable to proceed in his representation during the scheduled contested case hearings... on October 18, 2016, nor is he able to appear for a status conference scheduled for October 17, 2016."
According to that statement, counsel has scheduling conflicts and chooses to appear at his other appointments rather than represent clients at the TMT hearings? It could be emergency surgery that can't be rescheduled with his doctor, but short of that and considering the significance of this case, why aren't the other appointments rescheduled? If there's a choice that can reasonably be made?
No fathers or mothers think their own children ugly; and this self-deceit is yet stronger with respect to the offspring of the mind. -Miguel de Cervantes, novelist (1547-1616)