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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 11-06-2016
Some of Mauna Kea's warriors and protector's recently have been drawn to the standing rock situation for support and prayer.
https://thinkprogress.org/indigenous-spiritual-movement-8f873348a2f5#.ml0dv4rqk
Could we also have a standing rock situation developing here on our Mauna Kea next year over this TMT project?
A couple things that should not be overlooked is the Hundreds of Indian Tribes that have now come together at standing rock willing to bury their past pains and differences "people power and book History". Also, the Military tactics and weapons being used like tanks, helicopters, guns, tear gas, and even K-9 dogs are being used against many of the peaceful protectors.
The Native woman in this recent video helps explain the escalating situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Z-BV48Dss#t=945.324976
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - punaticbychoice - 11-07-2016
Standing Rock protests are serious opposition to bad environmental and energy policy. They are being met with force.
TMT is beneficial to the community, science and humanity. TMT is being opposed by a destructive theatre of the absurd.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-07-2016
Could we also have a standing rock situation developing here on our Mauna Kea next year over this TMT project?
Hawaii's government is too "polite" to use force against the protectors -- couldn't even manage to prosecute for illegal structures/camping/waste disposal (under existing "rules" that are "for everyone").
Hundreds of Indian Tribes that have now come together at standing rock willing to bury their past pains and differences
The various Hawaiian "tribes" can't even agree on whether or not TMT should be built.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 11-07-2016
Good morning to you Kalakoa.
"If" the State of Hawaii decides to declare the TMT standoff situation an emergency then they could bring in police from other states to help curve Politeness.
OHA, Police, and DLNR officers could choose to protect we the people and not the interests of large outside corporations and their rubber stamping "illegal" processes.
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/11/05/video-tmt-case-mauna-kea-standoff-compared-to-standing-rock/
Protectors of Mauna Kea should pay very close attention to the standing rock situation and how it's being handled by Corporate America and the military.
It would be interesting to hear the difference between How Mr Trump or Ms Clinton would handle this Standing Rock situation or the TMT's.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-07-2016
OHA, Police, and DLNR officers could choose to protect we the people and not the interests of large outside corporations and their rubber stamping "illegal" processes.
Native Hawaiians are divided almost 50-50 on the issue, so to be fair, OHA, Police, and DLNR officers need to protect both sides. If the TMT is a rubber stamp process, it is the longest, slowest, most deliberate rubber stamping in the history of planet earth.
I doubt whether the TMT when built will discover an alien rubber stamp procedure any more tortoise-like (even if slower, nearly imperceptibly crawling space tortoises are discovered in the future) no matter how far out in the universe it's lenses will peer.
I saw the tracks immediately - they swirled back & forth across the shuffled sand of the path. They seemed the design of indecision, but I am not sure. Mary Oliver
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-07-2016
Protectors of Mauna Kea should pay very close attention to the standing rock situation and how it's being handled by Corporate America and the military.
No. Scientific research cannot be meaningfully compared to energy resource exploitation. Even the $1.4B construction budget is pocket change compared to Big Oil. There is approximately zero possibility of corporate or military involvement.
"The community" really needs to start thinking about what happens if the TMT isn't built -- the island is about to be branded "hostile to business" (as if there was any doubt), once outside investors stop bringing money to the economy, it will be up to us to make up the difference, probably with tax and price increases.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Guest - 11-07-2016
Check out this Haka dance in support of the standing rock situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCVg3Av6uRQ
This local article points out a few similarities between the TMT and Standing Rock situations. The responses or comments from the article are worth reading as well.
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/taking-stand-standing-rock-tmt-protesters-join-native-americans-north-dakota
The bounty of clean Water from Mauna Kea may not be visible like a river running through an Indian reservation but it is there and it may mean life to many here. Jmo
Who's land is Mauna Kea's summit or the Standing Rock reservation Piece in Question?
Why does the construction of the Two projects need to be pushed and protected before the other legal procedures?
Does anyone think that the TMT's 50 foot pieces could be brought up The County Golf Course road here in Hilo now that their new building full of overtime has been illegally built? Will they move the Building?
So why push the TMT project if it will have to be moved? Where is the super Ships Fairy tale project now?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 11-07-2016
Check out this Hawaiian astronomer in support of the TMT situation
https://www.facebook.com/KeckObservatory/videos/10153250491608247/
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-07-2016
standing rock situation.
...
Scientific research cannot be meaningfully compared to energy resource exploitation.
I don't see any comparison between the TMT and Standing Rock either. You can pick out micro-similarities:
Native vs Government
David vs Goliath
Us vs Them
and sure both protests involve rocks, Hawaiian Road Boulders and Dakota's Standing Rock, but if you look at the big picture and larger issues behind each situation, any similarities vanish.
I saw the tracks immediately - they swirled back & forth across the shuffled sand of the path. They seemed the design of indecision, but I am not sure. Mary Oliver
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 11-07-2016
quote:
Case, who was a plaintiff in the TMT lawsuit, said both issues [Standing Rock and TMT] come down to protecting water. Some TMT opponents say they fear the telescope will pollute an aquifer under the mountain, a claim project supporters say is unfounded.
I didn't know the case came down to clean water. I have to assume I've been taking crazy pills then.
It's ridiculous they accuse a zero-discharge facility of polluting the aquifer but I bet all of them happily live in houses with cess pools that are 13,000 feet closer to the aquifer.