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RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - EvilOctopus - 12-05-2015
I just want to know who does the road striping around here. If I drove like the roads are striped, we'd all be maki!
RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - KeaauRich - 12-05-2015
Maybe I'm naive, but the new detour seems safer and more logical than the roundabout.
RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - PauHana - 12-06-2015
It is certainly better than what was there before the detour.
RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - kalakoa - 12-06-2015
http://www.civilbeat.com/2015/12/tom-yamachika-why-cant-hawaii-spend-all-that-federal-money/
DOT is sitting on $650M worth of unspent Federal transportation grants.
Roundabout project is $5.5M, and Puna is "lucky" to get that much.
Clearly, the problem is my attitude.
RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - Hapunatic - 12-08-2015
quote:Maybe we should put that on the brass plaque at the bottom of your bronze sculpture in the center of the new Pahoa roundabout...
Originally posted by pahoated
Starting to get the hang of this Punatic Paranoid Persnickety Pundit thing.
Pahoa Ted - Punatic Paranoid Persnickety Pundit
RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - Punatic007 - 12-08-2015
The roundabout construction detour is unacceptable, came back from Hilo yesterday during rush hour, what a joke. We were backed up and barely moving starting before the Hawaiian homelands, so much for the frozen foods from my afternoon shopping trip to town.
I don't like driving roundabouts, they are pretty and elegant but also confusing especially to seniors and those on bicycles. All we need is a traffic light and a no right turn on red sign. What a horrible waste of taxpayers money, since the area is highly prone to seismic and volcanic activity.
RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - terracore - 12-08-2015
Here's one from the terracore punaweb archives:
I lived in a town that had a serious bottleneck and the DOT proposed a roundabout to fix it. A stop light wasn't really an option because it would have required traffic to backup onto a bridge. The whole town was aflutter on what a big mistake the roundup was going to be. The "Letters to the editor" section of the newspaper was flooded with doomsday predictions of traffic accidents, backups, and serious end-of-the-world chaos. Video rental stores couldn't keep "National Lampoon's European Vacation" in stock as people wanted to queue up that scene where the Griswalds got onto a roundabout in London and went round and round in circles for hours. "Look! They are stuck forever on the roundabout!" Shouted one video viewer. "And they are driving on the wrong side of the road!" Shrieked another. One day I spotted a Prius with a "Roundabouts Kill" bumpersticker sandwiched between the "You can't hug your child with nuclear arms" and "Free Tibet" stickers.
The DOT tried to educate the public on roundabouts and released a public service announcement on the radio. Unfortunately it had the opposite effect that they were hoping for. Half the town criticized the message. The other half criticized them for hiring Dick Cheney to narrate it.
The nanny state ignored the public outcries and proceeded with the planned roundabout. People started stockpiling food, water, and ammunition. Churches were overflowing with confessing congregations on the Sunday before the grand opening of the roundabout. On the eve before the grand opening, the DOT erected the new roundabout signage. Before the morning dawn broke, somebody had spray painted a swastika on it.
Then the day came when the roundabout opened. Some brave souls woke up two hours early to navigate the gridlock and congestion that they were sure they were going to face, but most families just retreated to their basements, held hands, and prayed. And waited. When they didn't hear the sounds of vehicles colliding and the screams of the wounded they bravely turned on their radios. Why were the radio stations featuring their normal programming? Why wasn't the emergency broadcast system activated? Why was the morning traffic report stating THERE WERE NO TRAFFIC DELAYS?!
Eventually, people came out of their basements. It took their eyes a moment to adjust to the daylight, but eventually through their squinting eyes they could see that instead of stopping traffic and mankind, the roundabout actually worked! The bottleneck was gone! Why did we spend so many years waiting waiting waiting at that intersection? Who were these mad scientists and engineers the DOT employed? We never got the answers to these questions but it was almost like... almost like.... almost like the roundabout had been used in other countries for decades successfully, and that America's sick fascination with the stoplights and expensive overpasses may not be the only solutions to the world's traffic problems.
The first time I approached the roundabout, my fingers were tingling as they clutched the steering wheel tightly. Butterflies were fluttering in my stomach. I entered the roundabout. A Prius in front of me had a scraped mark where somebody had removed a bumper sticker but couldn't get all the glue off. Hybrid cars, roundabouts, Dick Cheney shooting people in the face. What had this world come to? I didn't really have time to ponder it all, because the roundabout shaved 10 minutes of my commute.
ETA: If you are REALLY that worried, you can practice using a roundabout in Hilo. There is one on the cargo/general aviation side of the airport. It's been used for years (decades?) without bringing on Armageddon.
RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - Kapoho Joe - 12-08-2015
quote:
Originally posted by Punatic007
The roundabout construction detour is unacceptable, came back from Hilo yesterday during rush hour, what a joke. We were backed up and barely moving starting before the Hawaiian homelands, so much for the frozen foods from my afternoon shopping trip to town.
It's the new traffic light causing a bottleneck at Pahoa Auto Parts that is to blame. Number one - the signal is timed too heavily in favor of traffic coming from Pahoa town, Number two - there should be no left turn towards Pahoa town.
RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - cwoods61 - 12-08-2015
I wonder if they could time the light to fit the traffic pattern. Favor outbound traffic in the morning, inbound for PM rush hour, neutral rest of the day.
RE: Roundabout starts today, Open Railroad?? - Chas - 12-09-2015
Terracore, I agree. As I've said before, you can move an insane amount of traffic through a traffic circle when drivers use them properly.
And again, I think the problem will be that Hawaii drivers, in their usual Aloha spirit, will be stopping in the middle of the circle to let other drivers enter. That could be dangerous.