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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - punaticbychoice - 11-27-2016
HOTPE:
I had taken a look at FTZ, but the complications here are very serious and time and money consuming.
I have had businesses on the mainland, but I've never experienced what I have here. Never.
My material sources would have been Korea and India.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-27-2016
I have had businesses on the mainland, but I've never experienced what I have here. Never.
Say more ...
Hint: what we have here isn't really an "economy", especially when a chosen few control all the commercial real estate (and have family members scattered throughout government).
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Chunkster - 11-27-2016
From today's Honolulu Star-Advertiser: " . . . some TMT supporters are now privately describing the lengthy proceedings as a “filibuster” that will stall the project, and may even effectively block the $1.4 billion telescope from ever being built in Hawaii." Imagine that! Well, at least someone is finally calling a spade a spade, even if it is only privately. Meanwhile the fanatic Pisciotta is still claiming that "justice" demands that her side be allowed to ask endless quetions. Here's a link, but it is paid content:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2016/11/27/hawaii-news/telescope-hearing-called-a-filibuster/
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-27-2016
privately describing the lengthy proceedings as a "filibuster" that will stall the project
I only hope that the "protectors" someday have a project of their own so that it can be held to this same level of scrutiny.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - punaticbychoice - 11-27-2016
kalakoa @ 8:48:08
Let's just say I've come to notice certain things here.
I've also had things "explained" to me on a "I never said anything to you" basis.
The only thing I might have done is have a customer in CA or somewhere and claim unlawful restraint of trade.
But as you say, a small unconnected local business is shall we say "at a disadvantage".
kalakoa @ 9:38:21
The "protectors" probably haven't the ambition or desire to have a productive project of their own I surmise.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - punaticbychoice - 11-27-2016
Chunkster @ 8:50:52
I asked on this thread what the real objections to the TMT were and have yet to get a
rational, let alone, any answer.
Pisciotta was the face of the Hawaii Green Party, 16% of the vote (HD-3) on 11/08/2016. I'd be embarrassed were I a Green, not at the 16%, but at the major issue (TMT) and anti-science attitude.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-27-2016
But as you say, a small unconnected local business is shall we say "at a disadvantage".
Yes, but this also depends on the business. See HRS 237 for clues.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - PaulW - 11-27-2016
If I could hazard a guess, based on his postings, gypsy's main objection to the telescope is that he doesn't see any personal benefit.
To hell with science or knowledge or the local economy.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-27-2016
what the real objections to the TMT were
As far as I can tell, it's simply that (some of) "the Hawaiians" feel that they are owed money for use of "their" land to construct a telescope.
Resorts and shopping centers are fine. Clearing "agricultural" lots pin-to-pin is fine. Cruise ships are fine. More airline flights are fine. Parks are fine too.
As usual, everyone is focused on the current problem ("will TMT get permits"), I see no planning for the future where TMT doesn't get built (loss of $30M/year local spending, no further outside investment due to hostile business climate). If the "protectors" get their way, the only people living on this island will be rich people in the Waikoloa Resort Enclave and troops on the military base -- and neither of these will tolerate the "protection" offered.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 11-28-2016
There were a lot of false claims about environmental pollution and over exaggerations about the TMT project in general. However for most people involved in this case it boils down to very personal issues. For Pisciotta it was the removal of her family stone and ashes which didn't get proper protection. For others just the idea of something existing on the mountain pains them, some of them to the point with they can barely speak about it -- they invoke the religious arguments. A smaller group just enjoy a good fight of "our culture" vs "haoles". A few others demanded more money from TMT. See the essense of today's anger from 2001 -- http://articles.latimes.com/2001/mar/18/news/mn-39418
In the past, Gypsy professed environmental damage and emotionally likened TMT to the NDPL (Standing Rock).
The problem is for the Big Island, astronomy, a green industry, contributes about $91 million a year to the economy. Chasing it out for unrelated emotional reasons is very short sighted. Can the industry be improved, sure. Can the protestors find better economic substitutions, no. Will they compromise, no. Will we all lose in the long run, yes.