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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 11-30-2016
why are all the 200+ others OK, that cross rivers?
Same answer: those rivers aren't near those people, just as the "protectors" have no problem with TMT as long as it's built somewhere else that's not sacred to them.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-30-2016
Standing Rock water protectors will have another Protector from the state of Hawaii joining them
How many gallons of jet fuel will she burn to fly there?
How many gallons of gasoline in her rental car?
If the issue is protecting the water near Standing Rock, and let's include the air for good measure, wouldn't traveling nowhere offer the strongest possible support to argue against the transport of fossil fuels?
Back to the TMT, it's a zero waste facility, a structure that will expand human knowledge both in discoveries made by the telescope, and with the scholarships offered so keiki may pursue their educational dreams. It would be difficult to find a comparable non-polluting organization which promotes clean energy goals both in the present and future either here in Hawaii or elsewhere.
The Hawaiian Protectors seem less interested in attempting to exemplify traditions based in their historical cultural practices, instead many of them create a personal hodgepodge of New Hawaiian Age beliefs which offer at best dubious connections to the past they claim to represent. This is demonstrated daily by their contradictory comments and disorganized line of questioning made at the TMT hearing.
“Rational people know what to expect. Irrational people know what to demand.” Last Aphorisms
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 11-30-2016
There are now two appeals filed with the Hawaii Supreme Court by the TMT protesters regarding the current contested case hearing. The first was by Wurdeman and now the second by Sinkin.
https://goo.gl/MjkPK7
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - punaticbychoice - 11-30-2016
HOTPE, TomK :
Only Kafka could could invent something like the anti- TMT protest and the "protectors".
I ask again, what or who/ whom the real reason?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 12-01-2016
what or who/ whom the real reason?
The intersection of a $1.4B construction budget and a depressed local economy -- "protectors" couldn't stop HART (too much money involved) but they can easily obstruct a science project "in the country" where nobody cares (read: has enough money) to fight them.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - punaticbychoice - 12-01-2016
kalakoa: Agreed.
Why the self destructiveness?
Who cleans up afterwards?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Aaron S - 12-01-2016
quote:
Originally posted by TomK
There are now two appeals filed with the Hawaii Supreme Court by the TMT protesters regarding the current contested case hearing. The first was by Wurdeman and now the second by Sinkin.
https://goo.gl/MjkPK7
SCOT-16-0000788- Richard Wurdeman's, etc lawsuit was filed on November 7th.
SCOT-16-0000804- Temple of Lono's lawsuit was filed on November 14th.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-01-2016
Both appeals argue that "the process is biased and fails due process."
Due process is described as:
The Fifth Amendment says to the federal government that no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law." The Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, uses the same eleven words, called the Due Process Clause, to describe a legal obligation of all states. These words have as their central promise an assurance that all levels of American government must operate within the law ("legality") and provide fair procedures.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/due_process
I have not listened to the entire proceeding, but enough to realize that some of the questioning has little to do with the impact of the TMT on Hawaiian rights and customs as practiced in the historical past thoroughly described in written documents or through oral tradition. The questions put forward by the Protectors and their supporters are repetitious, tangential, and often only meant to lead the person testifying through an elaborate maze designed to trip him/her up, so they appear to contradict earlier statements.
The petitioners have 30 minutes to question each witness, every witness called. I would suggest that with their aimless, ineffective line of inquiry, they are the only ones interfering with their own due process.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - punaticbychoice - 12-01-2016
HOTPE:
Obviously.
Herr Franz Kafka, what do you say?
Read my story " The Trial".
Thanks Franz Kafka
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 12-01-2016
no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."
Protectors are depriving us of a functional economy. Who represents the public interest in these proceedings?