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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilanidude - 12-03-2016
gypsy69 - Did you upgrade your home to a septic system or is still contaminating the ground water too?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkP - 12-03-2016
All of this is beside the point because the TMT will be a zero waste facility and bears no resemblance whatsoever to the Red Hill facility. totally opposite ends of the spectrum. One would have to be hysterical to compare the two.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - leilanidude - 12-04-2016
@MarkP - It should be beside the point, except that gypsy69 has continually pressed the lie about water contamination from the TMT. So I want to know if his own actions regarding the safety of the water, are in line with his own beliefs.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 12-04-2016
the lie about water contamination from the TMT
Technically, this is completely true, if you include TMT-related "protection" activities with leaky vehicles and raw sewage disposal. No TMT, no side effects, right?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkP - 12-04-2016
quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
the lie about water contamination from the TMT
Technically, this is completely true, if you include TMT-related "protection" activities with leaky vehicles and raw sewage disposal. No TMT, no side effects, right?
Yes. Cultural traditions are things that you actually did in the past right?
I will say this. My brother worked at the IRTF for something like 15 years. When this topic comes up he does confirm that in the early days the observatories were fairly heavy handed and possessive and if they had had their way access to the summit would have been more restricted. There are legitimate grievances. However the response of the protesters in prosecuting these grievances is comically misguided and I stand by my earlier assertions that these protesters are not truly representative of most Hawaiians.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 12-04-2016
Cultural traditions are things that you actually did in the past right?
...right back to "these commoners would never have been allowed on the sacred mountain".
Meanwhile, in South Dakota:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/04/army-will-deny-easement-halting-work-on-dakota-access-pipeline/
The Army said Sunday that it will not approve an easement necessary for the controversial Dakota Access Pipeline to cross under Lake Oahe in North Dakota, marking a monumental victory for the Native American tribes and thousands of others who have flocked in recent months to protest the pipeline.
I expect this "win" will only embolden the "protectors".
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 12-05-2016
The first of the two appeals regarding the current TMT contested case hearing has been dismissed by the Hawaii Supreme Court.
http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/news/local-news/hawaii-supreme-court-dismisses-telescope-opponents-appeal
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Justin - 12-05-2016
Excellent news.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - alaskyn66 - 12-06-2016
Mauna Kea is to be a peoples park..
http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/news/local-news/mauna-kea-people-s-park-kim-seek-new-designation-mountain
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-08-2016
Tulsi Gabbard made this comment in an interview this morning:
"I am personally opposed to the telescope. I think it's important though to focus on the larger issue, which is the conversation that's happening right now within the native Hawaiian community and the community at large which is how to move forward with the sacred land on Mauna Kea. I know that the process is still ongoing and that process is really what important to make sure that their voices are heard and what kind of future they'd like to see*," said Gabbard, represents Hawai'i's second congressional district which includes Hawai'i Island.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNw4AXrD8UJ/
* We're all curious. We're all waiting to hear what they envision.
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