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RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - liskir - 05-08-2012
Why would they expel Dr. Paul fr. the party? Why would anyone have to disclose their party affiliation? You didn't. Now, isn't this a lot more interesting than saying racist again and again that nobody will read nor believe because it's preposterous?
RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - PaulW - 05-08-2012
Why would they expel him? Because he is effectively torpedoing any chance his Party has of winning the election. He is only acting in his own best interests, much the same as when he went Libertarian and split the vote. Obama must be dancing a jig.
As stated above, the Ron Paul supporters see Romney as being the same as Obama, so they don't care if they wreck the prospects of the person chosen as the candidate by the majority of the Republican voters. They don't care about the Republican party, they don't care about Romney. They only care about the Dear Leader.
The rest of the candidates have pulled out and thrown their support behind Romney because they are being loyal to the party. Sure, they could campaign to the bitter end too, just to hurt Romney's chances and plump their own egos, but they don't because they want Obama out.
So, have you changed your opinion about electoral colleges now that you've been told what the official line is from above?
PS Ron Paul published and sold racist newsletters under his name, that is an undeniable fact.
RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - Kapohocat - 05-09-2012
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Originally posted by PaulW...
The rest of the candidates have pulled out and thrown their support behind Romney because they are being loyal to the party...
I have to laugh at Santorum, and Gingrich - and they reenforce why I think probably definitely 99.9% sure all politicians lie, lie,lie and then lie more.
They pull out (pun very intended) and then try to say that all those bad things they said before about Romney, well that was just gamesmanship.
Yah right.
I would have been more impressed if they said "we are out, best wishes to Romney", and let it be at that.
RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - Guest - 05-09-2012
quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
Why would they expel him? Because he is effectively torpedoing any chance his Party has of winning the election. He is only acting in his own best interests, much the same as when he went Libertarian and split the vote. Obama must be dancing a jig.
As stated above, the Ron Paul supporters see Romney as being the same as Obama, so they don't care if they wreck the prospects of the person chosen as the candidate by the majority of the Republican voters. They don't care about the Republican party, they don't care about Romney. They only care about the Dear Leader.
The rest of the candidates have pulled out and thrown their support behind Romney because they are being loyal to the party. Sure, they could campaign to the bitter end too, just to hurt Romney's chances and plump their own egos, but they don't because they want Obama out.
So, have you changed your opinion about electoral colleges now that you've been told what the official line is from above?
PS Ron Paul published and sold racist newsletters under his name, that is an undeniable fact.
The Republican party does not have a chance without Dr. Paul, one only need look at the polls to see. Romney does not capture the independents or the conservatives, he will be the weakest GOP candidate ever, Obama will have no problem beating him. The GOP is being remade as we speak, by the end of the convention it will be a Ron Paul Republican party wether Romney is the nominee or not. The Ron Paul supporters have taken control from the bottom up and it is not cheating, in fact it is how the system was designed to work.
I am not spouting the official line, I am spouting the reality. Our country was never designed to be a democracy for good reason. Its in the Constitution, read it. In order to maintain our republic its going to take a dedicated, educated minority, just like the original Revolution. We are under a system of the rule of law, not the rule of people. We are supposed to be united as family first, then as a town, then as a county, then as a state, finally as a Constitutional Republic. The 14th amendment has kind of screwed it up, but we are supposed to be citizens of a State united with others not of the United States.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - PaulW - 05-09-2012
Okay, fair enough, as long as he follows the rules it's fine by me.
In my opinion they avoided direct democracy back then because it wasn't practical, but now it is.
Of course, it's only what's in the Constitution that counts, but it can change.
I have another question. If Paul does not get more delegates than Romney (which seems likely) then how will that benefit Paul? I see talk of Romney having to adopt some of Paul's policies, but why would he? Isn't it winner take all?
RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - Guest - 05-11-2012
Its relatively complex political philosophy. But it essentially boils down to mob rule suppressing the minority. Just because a majority of people agree that slavery is OK, does not make it OK. No direct Democracy has ever succeeded and never will on a large scale just like communism. The theory is well intentioned, the application is usually horrific in its results. This is a good video that explains types of governments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY
Romney needs 1144 delegates to vote for him at the convention to win the nomination, if he can't get those votes, he cannot get the nomination.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - PaulW - 05-11-2012
I think direct democracy is an experiment worth trying. People will learn. Not in my lifetime though.
People used to think democracy itself would be a disaster. That universal suffrage would be a disaster.
But if Paul gets, say, 1000 delegates (which itself is very unlikely) then what good will it do him?
All or nothing, right?
RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - csgray - 05-11-2012
A contested convention could be very interesting. My understanding is that the Republican party in each state has slightly different rules, but it breaks down into a convention where there are some delegates who are free to vote for anyone they like, delegates who have to vote for a certain candidate on the first round only, and delegates who are committed to a certain candidate come hell or high water. Neither party has had a contested convention with multiple rounds of voting accompanied by all kinds of back room haggling in decades, very few people in the upper realms of either party have ever participated in a contested convention, most of them were adolescents last time there was one, or for the really old guys, college students.
Several articles I read a few months ago speculated that Paul wouldn't bolt the party or contest the election for fear the party would then punish his son, Rand Paul, in terms of support in future elections. I don't know enough about how Paul's mind works to speculate on that, but I also think he only has so much control over the actions of his supporters at the convention, I'm not convinced he is the one orchestrating the push to send Paul delegates to the convention in large numbers.
American politics would be my favorite soap opera/drama if the consequences didn't have the potential to be so critical for our country.
Carol
RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - PaulW - 05-11-2012
Good point Carol. I had forgotten about his son. Just did some googling and oh boy, he is not very bright.
His Presidential career is handicapped from the outset. But at least this should stop Ron from completely
sabotaging the party convention.
RE: Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote! - Guest - 05-12-2012
quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
Good point Carol. I had forgotten about his son. Just did some googling and oh boy, he is not very bright.
His Presidential career is handicapped from the outset. But at least this should stop Ron from completely
sabotaging the party convention.
Why would you say someone is not very bright just buy googling them a bit? Is it because you disagree with his politics, or do you actually think he is stupid?
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul