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RE: more helicopters - centipede - 09-18-2009
I spit on the whole concept. The "War on Drugs" was a preemptive strike that was perpetrated with filthy lies and without congressional authority or a constitutional amendment (like alcohol prohibition), and here we are 72 years later with a global society that is corrupt and rotten to the core because of it.
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Originally posted by LeeE
Last post on this. Let's look to the top of the drug money pyramid, (yes, it extends from the streets of Pahoa all the way to the institutions discussed below), in order to see this issue in it's proper perspective,imho.
"UN: UN Crime Chief Says Drug Money Flowed Into Bank
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n101/a11.html
Pubdate: Sun, 25 Jan 2009
Source: International Herald-Tribune (International)
Copyright: International Herald Tribune 2009
Contact: letters@iht.com
Website: http://www.iht.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/212
VIENNA: The United Nations' crime and drug watchdog has indications that money made in illicit drug trade has been used to keep banks afloat in the global financial crisis, its head was quoted as saying on Sunday.
Vienna-based UNODC Executive Director Antonio Maria Costa said in an interview released by Austrian weekly Profil that drug money often became the only available capital when the crisis spiralled out of control last year.
"In many instances, drug money is currently the only liquid investment capital," Costa was quoted as saying by Profil. "In the second half of 2008, liquidity was the banking system's main problem and hence liquid capital became an important factor."
The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime had found evidence that "interbank loans were funded by money that originated from drug trade and other illegal activities," Costa was quoted as saying. There were "signs that some banks were rescued in that way."
Profil said Costa declined to identify countries or banks which may have received drug money and gave no indication how much cash might be involved. He only said Austria was not on top of his list, Profil said."
RE: more helicopters - LeeE - 09-19-2009
Centipede,
Yep, it's pretty infuriating when you think about it. Despite President Change, change for the better is coming. This quote from Dr. Lester Grinspoon, who'll be speaking at the upcoming NORML conference in San Francisco, might make you feel a bit better.
"..."When I first began to study marijuana in 1967, I naïvely believed that its only use was as a recreational drug," says Grinspoon. "I soon came to understand that it also had a second important utility, as a medicine, and I published (along with James B. Bakalar) Marijuana, the Forbidden Medicine. Just as penicillin, after its discovery as an antibiotic in 1941, was soon hailed as a wonder drug because of its limited toxicity, its versatility in treating a number of different kinds of symptoms and syndromes, and its limited cost, we believe that marijuana, for the same three reasons, will eventually be hailed as a wonder medicine. Over the last decade and a half I have come to believe that there is a third category of marijuana use --enhancement." ..."
RE: more helicopters - centipede - 09-19-2009
What really fires my imagination is idiocy, such as the article that appears in today's Tribune-Journal. With all that's going on in the world, this skinny little newspaper goes and reports that pot got burned up in the LA National Forest fires. Cops with an agenda may feel happy inside and grin at such drivel, but what's the point in writing about it and putting it in the newspaper? The only thing I can think of is that prohibition may be on its last legs, and this is one of the last hurrahs.
RE: more helicopters - Sandra A. - 09-20-2009
yeah...Sunday morning news...front page...calcs on all the pot plants killed thus far, feather-in-hat, that's really what it amounts to. Who really cares? There's never a bust, so what's the point? All that money that could go to better use.
RE: more helicopters - centipede - 09-20-2009
Yes, Sandra A. Cops armed to the teeth leaping from choppers as if they were going into combat in Nam, and then pulling weeds.
Those who originally perpetrated this crime against the people are dead, and their legacy is representative of one of the major trappings of power in which once the authorities have taken control of something, they have a serious problem letting go because power is the most insidious drug of all.
Still, I must ponder the point of this most recent front page nonsense. Is prohibition on its last legs, and is all of this recent non-news some twisted form of "last stand"?
RE: more helicopters - Bullwinkle - 09-21-2009
Using psychological weaponry to herd the small time users back to commercial producers and a 150 dollars per quarter ounce at a time, is all they are doing.
Price support for a 1 billion $ state industry ... let me type that again... a 1 billion dollar shadow economy, notable in its silence.
I will let the reader make the political inferences.
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2009/09/20/local_news/local01.txt
From the DEA authorized version of events that day:
"If (officers) drop into a patch and it happens to be (24 or fewer) plants, we can't just get out. We can't walk away from it, unless it's medical. And on that chance, on every mission, we have a direct line to state narcotics enforcement. We call them to verify if there's a medical marijuana permit.
DEA speak for sitting on top of suspected blue card holders greenhouse at 100-200 feet and call the state for "verification" or pretend to land on 6 plant back yard patches - taking ten years off the owners life as they throttle up, slow the blade rpm and increase the blade pitch ....wop, wop, wop wop,... sphincter relaxing if performed properly.
Piper cubs cost 20 dollars an hour for fuel ... fly at 30 miles an hour at 500 feet all day long.... they could have accomplished the same thing with two cadets a cub and a cell phone.
More details in a few months - its all about transparency - grin
wop,wop,wop,wop,wop,wop,wop...........
Edit = update and after coffee and biz emails general post clean up .... back to rock stacking
RE: more helicopters - Kahunascott - 09-21-2009
I think when Peaceful Sky’s wrote their ordinance they must have been token a few fatties. They thought that a County Ordinance would stop the eradication.
Think about it, State trumps County. and the Feds trump the State. So if the program is funded by the Feds (Which according to Sundays paper it is) not much will change, eh.
You can take it one further. If the Feds are in charge they can go after the medical marijuana too.
The prescription for medical marijuana is a State law and it’s still a controlled substance in the eyes of the Feds.
I think Peaceful Sky’s even made it worse for the growers. They have come out of the shadows thinking that it was cool to grow and they lost their crops. 2, 10 or a hundred plants you better grow them in your garage or they will come and get you.[:0]
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it cost when it’s free
RE: more helicopters - Bullwinkle - 09-22-2009
The real commercial (read indoor in a warehouse) growers laughing all the way to the bank..... The DEA should be in afghanistan with he real men if they want to help.
These local lifers are just acting out of envy now that the Marijuana industry is taking off and creating even more wealth. They backed the wrong side and lost. Hope they have a nice retirement in Boise
your sig: and wandering off topic.
... My mom just got a new hip... 7 days after diagnosis. She is terminal and in her eighties, She got excellent care in the hospital & - out in three days. Now has home care 3x a day for pt and get this -- a housekeeper so she wont damage the hip coming out of the gate - all for free
we call it universal care in the netherlands - "Socialist" having a different meaning for rest of the world than the conditioned members of fringe groups here at home
Edit = the premiums are not free - she pays 80 euro a month - based on earnings....
Aloha
RE: more helicopters - Bob Orts - 09-24-2009
quote:I think they were under the impression that the majority of past eradication efforts was aimed at adult personal use and by establishing the lowest law enforcement priority, eradication would die down because so little of it would be the target of eradication efforts. Turns out they vastly underestimated how much commercial criminal enterprises were in operation. The good thing about the initiative is the required reporting. That shows that all the talk about marijuana eradication efforts being aimed at small personal use isn't the case.
Originally posted by Kahunascott
I think when Peaceful Sky’s wrote their ordinance they must have been token a few fatties. They thought that a County Ordinance would stop the eradication.
RE: more helicopters - Bullwinkle - 09-24-2009
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2009/09/24/local_news/local04.txt
here is a typical indoor guy ... had 20 lbs on hand. The way to bust the real operators is to check power consumption...
Please keep the helicopters parked. Bullwinkle hates it when the dog tries to jump through the window screen on his way out. The outside fertilized, seeded weed being low grade junk. Not worth the drama and the breach of the peace. If they really wanted to make a mess for the outdoor growers, they could very quietly pollenate all of the outdoor crops - dip a bunch of bees in pollen turn em loose - problem solved, no charge for the consultation.
I still don't get why they don't use a slow flying fixed wing, so much better p.r. I had some help up this soapbox, wasn't this virulent 'till I got strafed over here last week... wait till they get you - by the time they run out of cash we will all be p.o.'d
Aloha
edit ... short an "n"